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Posted by: thepinetree on 10/25/2018 08:44 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 10/25/2018 09:23 AM
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Are We Really That Divided? Even on Abortion Gallop Polling Shows 79% Agree

Arnold, CA...One of the things we love about covering small towns is that it matters much less where your political loyalties lie and more if a person tries to help his or her community thrive. In our rural and at times economically challenged counties and communities it takes a group effort just to keep small towns functioning. No one asks or cares how you vote when volunteers help for a parade, clean up a park or work on a hiking trail. In rural areas we still know each other in the analog world and not just as keyboard junkies. That is a good thing.


The polls from May of 2018 show that 29% believe abortion should be Legal under any circumstances. 50% believe abortion should be Legal under certain circumstances. Only 18% believed it should be illegal under all circumstances. Click above for full polling data.



For political parties to thrive they need "evil villains" to demonize to raise money for their cause. The world has to be seen as coming to an end to maximize donations. Instinctively we all know this but in our hyper partisan world more and more seem to be drinking the "Kool Aid" of political factions.

Let's take one of the most divisive topics we can find which is abortion. How divided are we really even on this the most dividing of topics? Every year Gallop tracks how the body politic feels on this issue. The positions range from. Legal without questions 100 percent of the time on one side to Never allowable even in cases of Rape on the other.

The press release version tries to paint us as hopelessly divided but if you actually look at the data it clearly shows that fully 79% of the U.S. population believed in May of 2018 that Abortion should be legal and available for women in if not all at least some cases.

In the policy world it doesn't matter if someone believes themselves Pro-Choice or Pro-Life. What really matters is how the population believes abortion should actually be implemented in policy. Fully 79% believe it should be legal in some cases.

On an issue like abortion there is no political value in that number. Next time you see an issue where there is supposed to be a clear line of division. Our bet is that almost 80% of us will agree. The old 80/20 rule works almost every time.

In politics though the 20% on the fringes of either party always controls the narratives.


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Majorities Ignored
Posted on: 2018-10-25 09:03:50   By: Anonymous
 
Not just abortion. 80% want Medicare for all 65% want free college.

A recent university study showed the will of the majority - over 85% is ignored by Congress, the Republican Congress. The study concludes "the vast majority are ignored in this Congress, however the 1% always gets the legislation it wants, and lobbies for.
The people are ignored.
The answer is to run the Republicans out, after election theft in 2000, 2004, 2016.
The media, and most of the Democratic party is ignoring the ugly fact of election theft by the Republicans. 27 GOP sec of state have purged legal minority voters, to the count of 14 million . The only way the Republicans win a majority in our Federal government is by denying legal voters their vote.

Link- gregpalast.com

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    Re: Ignorance & Bigotry Thriving in America
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 09:59:15   By: Anonymous
     
    Oh just stop your ignorant, bigoted comments, it's people like you that have divided this country. Always whining and crying with the my way or the highway attitude. When you don't get your way you throw childish temper tantrums and sound like a blithering nincompoop.
    Only someone with a below IQ would think that it's just a republican congress that has done any of this. We had President Obama, which I voted for by the way, (and how I wish Trump had his mannerism, but..) please tell everyone Mr Bigot why didn't he make Colleges Free? Why did he not give free medical care for everyone? Do you have any idea of the cost of your freebies you want? Or are you on the bus with the new democratic way of wanting this country to be a socialist country? Maybe you need to visit a socialist country for a long stay and see how well it's run. Get your Visa, go visit, China, Laos, Vietnam Cuba, take your pick and enjoy your visit. No doubt you don't even have a visa, let alone a bank account to be able to do that, so pick up a book, and have a child read it to you.
    I really hope you're a convicted felon and don't have the right to vote because you certainly don't have the intelligence to. It's people like you that our forefathers had the Electoral College System in place for the Presidential Elections, because of the ''dumb as a rock'' people back then, and people like you now, hasn't changed after all these years, has it?


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      Re: Ignorance & Bigotry Thriving in America
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 10:48:56   By: Anonymous
       
      Want in one hand, S_ _t in the other, see which one fills up faster. Have you not noticed that the rich are leaving the state, even the middle class is leaving California.

      It is because of all the freebies given out on their overtaxed dime. So many freebies all leeches are running to the state to get them. Good Luck with your wants and wishes, as soon there will be no one left in the state but the poor and mentally ill with their hands out.

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        Re: The poor and mentally ill with their hands out
        Posted on: 2018-10-25 11:52:49   By: Anonymous
         
        You mean, the people that Jesus commanded us to care for? And then gave His life for, to make absolutely sure we were paying attention to His message?!

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          Re: The poor and mentally ill with their hands out
          Posted on: 2018-10-25 12:11:41   By: Anonymous
           
          Jesus Christ took a knee.

          Jesus Christ was NOT a nationalist.

          Trump and the "religious right" are the hypocrite false prophets of the end times.

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      Re: Ignorance & Bigotry Thriving in America
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 12:48:51   By: Anonymous
       
      Are you a Billionaire? , if not the government we have now is only serving the Billionaires. Is this is bigotry ? If you call this bigotry, again you must be a Billionaire.

      The University report clearly shows the government does not serve you.
      What does it take for you to understand your government has been stolen, by the schemes of voter purges , 14 million voters purged mostly legal minority voters , is this bigotry?

      You're not making any sense with your comments.



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      Re: Ignorance & Bigotry Thriving in America
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 17:25:18   By: Anonymous
       
      Ignorant Trumptard post
      TRUMP is diving us and anyone that thinks different is a fool

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        Re: Ignorance & Bigotry Thriving in America
        Posted on: 2018-10-25 22:06:24   By: Anonymous
         
        diving ?

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    Re: Majorities Ignored
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 12:46:38   By: Anonymous
     

    But just like all DEM/LEFTIES... looking to blame everything on our awsome POTUS!
    JUST ANOTHER DEM/LEFTY FREAKING OUT UNABLE TO THINK IN A SANE MANNER.YOU DEM/LEFTIES ARE LOOSING IT AND YOUR POST IS PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    GO TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    RED WAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      Re: Majorities Ignored
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 18:18:53   By: Anonymous
       
      "Loosing it"? Second grade educated Idiot Hillbilly TRUMPTARD!

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    Re: Majorities Ignored
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 12:48:35   By: Anonymous
     
    The majority voted for
    DONALD TRUMP!!! HE WON FAIR AND SQUARE!!!
    Go Trump!!!!

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      Re: Majorities Ignored
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 15:39:21   By: Anonymous
       
      The majority voted for Hillary Clinton by about 3 million votes. The electoral college voted for Trump.

      Trump was not the people's choice. Still isn't.



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        Re: Majorities Ignored
        Posted on: 2018-10-25 16:30:38   By: Anonymous
         
        You comment is perfect evidence why the electoral college is still relevant now more than ever. If all that mattered was large states then most of our country would never have any voice.

        Even you can't believe that what California and New York want is really the best for everyone?

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      Re: Majorities Ignored
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 17:26:40   By: Anonymous
       
      Donald Turd has never won anything fair and square you ignorant Trumptard

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-10-25 09:13:18   By: Anonymous
 
John
I have no idea what the value of living in rural communities and nation-wide opinion polls on abortion have to do with each other. Its a non sequitur.

As for an "analog" lifestyle contributing to better communication among rural folks, I could equally hypothesize that rural people would be more "digital" if they had high speed broadband.

Oh well. Maybe it can be said that a rural lifestyle primarily contributes to the construction of bad analogies.





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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 09:47:46   By: Anonymous
     
    I think he meant that in larger cities you most likely won't even know your neighbors. Easier to label people you don't know and are just seen as a voting block

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    Re: you have no idea because....
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 11:56:21   By: Anonymous
     
    .....you don’t actually WANT to understand John’s analogy. C’mon, now. You seem to be pretty intelligent and well spoken. You’re just being nasty here.

    Which beautifully illustrates the point: you’re willfully misunderstanding John’s idea because you’re getting off on sowing snottiness and discord.

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      Re: you have no idea because....
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 15:52:41   By: Anonymous
       
      Huh?

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PUPPET PORN PRESIDENT
Posted on: 2018-10-25 09:36:28   By: Anonymous
 
Trump needs you for his BE BEST TEAM.
Mocking,bullying,lying,sexual harassment, and now add the skills to build PIPE BOMBS. !!
Thanks to Trump for being such a good leader!!
VOTE
GOP!!

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    Re: PUPPET PORN PRESIDENT
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 09:51:42   By: Anonymous
     
    shut up.

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    Re: PUPPET PORN PRESIDENT
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 12:55:29   By: Anonymous
     
    The Dems are the ones that sent the bombs. Just the Democratic party trying to get our POTUS in trouble ....again!!!
    That's how low all of you left nuts think. Going crazy. It is actually very funny to watch you guys loosing it!!
    BillClinton-Paid off his mistresses-BJ by Monica in Oval office
    Hiliary-Sold Uranimun to the enemy
    Clintons both frauded American People regarding their Non Profit
    Hiliary-email scandel
    Benghazi
    Obama-brought back racism and made sure America looked like pathetic wimps.
    What about Gov Brown giving illegal Ca DL- He just wanted blue votes.
    So much more!
    SEA OF RED. CLEAN THE SWAMP. GO TRUMP

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      Re: PUPPET PORN PRESIDENT
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 15:40:45   By: Anonymous
       
      Get back on your meds, grandpa.

      [Reply ]

        Re: PUPPET PORN PRESIDENT
        Posted on: 2018-10-25 22:08:54   By: Anonymous
         
        what about pizza gate?

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      Re: PUPPET PORN PRESIDENT
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 18:28:21   By: Anonymous
       
      Mr "Loosing it" again. Hey dumb ass you are blowing your cover with second grade education and retarded view on the matter. Kinda like your idiot Trump blaming the bombs on the media. Looks like you follow his dumbass path.

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Thank you, John
Posted on: 2018-10-25 11:46:34   By: Anonymous
 
I really very much appreciate this attempt at good sense, calmness and civility. I know you’re gonna get slammed by both the pseudo left and the pseudo right for addressing their need to dole out foaming screeds filled with toxic levels of lethal resentment and righteousness. The Pine Tree seems to have its own dedicated little band of Russian trolls, gleefully and dutifully sowing hate and discord up and down the Hwy 4 corridor. Posting evil, treacherous crap on The Pine Tree is their dirty little secret, and, sickeningly, they seem to be fully aware that they’re poisoning our precious democracy from the inside out. They know the slimy, fetid, nearly sexual thrill of anonymously “owning” one another online for a few minutes each day. Maybe take a really tough step, John, and ask us all to sign our names? Like the (shudder) Calaveras Enterprise? I know-that would really change the amount of traffic you get on this site. And I understand that most folks are living day to day around here and sometimes every penny counts. But maybe it’s time.....

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    Re: Thank you, John
    Posted on: 2018-10-25 15:55:29   By: Anonymous
     
    ^^^ Go get a abortion

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      I thought this was about abortion?
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 16:51:00   By: Anonymous
       
      Its a women choice, right or wrong its her choice and nobody elses! Mind your goddamn business!

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        Re: I thought this was about abortion?
        Posted on: 2018-10-25 18:36:03   By: Anonymous
         
        Amen

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          Re: I thought this was about abortion?
          Posted on: 2018-10-25 21:26:51   By: Anonymous
           
          Its a women choice?
          Fifty percent of babies murdered by abortion are female.
          Doesn't SHE get a choice?

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            Re: I thought this was about abortion?
            Posted on: 2018-10-25 22:27:31   By: Anonymous
             
            to make a choice you have to have consciousness of an intentional state. Fetuses don't have intentionality as that comes at 3-6 months post partum.

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              Re: I thought this was about abortion?
              Posted on: 2018-10-26 16:15:40   By: Anonymous
               
              Let's apply reasoning that to voting.
              Most Liberal Democrats don't have enough consciousness of an intentional state to make a sane choice.

              No Choice For You!

              [Reply ]

      Re: Thank you, John
      Posted on: 2018-10-25 18:33:45   By: Anonymous
       
      "an not a" second grade educated Trumptard hillbilly.

      [Reply ]

        Re: Thank you, John
        Posted on: 2018-10-25 22:11:12   By: Anonymous
         
        "Man-panties".

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