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Posted by: thepinetree on 10/23/2017 08:46 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 10/23/2017 08:56 AM
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TRAIN WRECK, A Calaveras County Resident Warns of the Coming Disaster by David Vassar

Arnold, CA...For the past few weeks Calaveras County has felt like a slow moving train wreck.  There is a tremendous amount of noise in any train wreck, but in this case no one is listening. And no one seems to notice that the train wreck is actually the future of Calaveras County. The train left the station in May of 2016 when the Calaveras Board of Supervisors passed an “Urgency Ordinance” with a vote of 4 to 1. The ordinance prescribed rules and regulations for the legal cultivation of cannabis in Calaveras County.




By November, the four County Supervisors who voted ‘yes’ were out of a job. Two lost in recall elections and the other two declined to seek reelection.

The result is a Board of Supervisors with no institutional memory, and except for one member, zero practical experience as elected officials. They are driving blind. They think the red handle in the engine cab is the brake, but it’s actually the accelerator.

To add to the confusion, Jack Garamendi, the only moderate member of the board, was served with a recall petition last week for his support of tightly regulated cannabis cultivation.

The opinions of Calaveras residents are no less head spinning than the 180-degree turn made by the Board of Supervisors.

Measure C, which would have taxed the cannabis industry in Calaveras County, passed easily in November, 2016 with a 68% margin. On the same ballot, voters defeated Measure D, which would have set permanent regulations for the cannabis industry.

It’s only fair to admit that I also worked though my own change of heart. Although I strongly believe that simple possession of marijuana should be decriminalized, I voted against Proposition 64 which legalized recreational use of marijuana in California.

However, on the same ballot I voted for Measure D. My thinking was that if Prop 64 failed, the Calaveras cannabis management plan would be unnecessary. But if it passed, the cultivation plan would be an intelligent and orderly mechanism with which to manage its growth, provide for strict environmental protections, and run the illegal growers out of town.

Central to any discussion regarding regulated cannabis cultivation in Calaveras are the economic impacts for a county that is among the poorest in the state. A recent study by the University of the Pacific (UOP) looked at the question.

Their analysis focused only on commercial growers who registered under the Urgency Ordinance and measured the financial impact of a single year; 2016.
Their conclusions are jaw dropping:
Sales value (gross): $251 million
Direct employment (jobs): 2,605
Direct labor income (wages): $148 million

When you add the potential sales figures from local stores and services provided by local contractors the total financial impact for one year of cannabis cultivation rises to $339 million!

If a complete ban on the cultivation of cannabis is approved by the Calaveras County Board of Supervisors - and right now it looks like it will pass 3-2 or even 4-1 - here’s what’s likely to happen:

• The $339 million impact on the local economy, along with the tax revenues, and the 2,605 jobs forecast by UOP, will leave Calaveras County and likely, never return.

• Calaveras will be forced to refund the $7 million dollars that has been collected from growers. The County has already spent $3.7 million dollars on permit processing, inspections, and regulations. They borrowed additional funds from the General Fund for law enforcement to eradicate illegal grows and promised to to pay it back from future taxes on growers.

• Currently, the County has no surplus funds, so in order to refund the $3.7 million dollars in fees they already spent, more money will have to come from the General Fund.

• According to the County Administrative Officer, Tim Lutz, the General Fund is looking at a $5.1 million structural deficit for the current fiscal year. The General Fund can only be balanced by eliminating programs and cutting staff - friends and neighbors who work on our roads, provide public safety, and keep local government functioning.

• Those growers who made their applications, paid their fees, and invested millions of dollars for infrastructure will not be happy with the ban. It’s fairly certain that many growers will sue Calaveras County to recoup their losses. And given the contradictory actions of the Board of Supervisors, they will present a very strong case. The payout for litigation and settlements could easily run to tens of millions of dollars. These payouts could exceed the County’s liability insurance and the insurers could cite the flip-flop decisions by the Board as grounds for refusing to pay the claims.

• Either the County will float a bond to pay the claims, forcing property owners to pay interest and principle for decades, or in the worst case, file for bankruptcy.

• Should bankruptcy occur, every property owner will see the value of their real estate decline, every business will watch their bottom line shrink, and every economically challenged person will find little or no help at the county level.

That’s the train wreck no one is hearing, and that’s the sound it’s already making.

If you care about the future of Calaveras County, if you don’t want to see your taxes wasted on cleaning up a train wreck that can be prevented, and if you don’t want to watch the value of your home or earnings from your business plummet, you only have one choice.

Pick up the phone, call your County Supervisor and tell them to stop the runaway train and stop the ban. Make sure that they clearly understand that you will not sit still while they destroy Calaveras County.

And be sure to tell them that come next election, you will never forget who was driving the train.

Supervisor District One - Gary Tofanelli - San Andreas, Valley Springs - (209) 286-9002
Supervisor District Two - Jack Garamendi - Mokelumne Hill, Mountain Ranch - (209) 286-9003
Supervisor District Three - Michael Oliveira - Arnold, Murphys - (209) 286-9007
Supervisor District Four - Dennis Mills - Angels Camp, Copperopolis - (209) 286-9050
Supervisor District Five - Clyde Clapp - Rancho Calaveras - (209) 286-9059

David Vassar is a Writer and Resident of Calaveras County


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Revenue
Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:06:22   By: Anonymous
 
It should not be about the money. It will not buy the most important things that living in Calaveras County is all about. We still have out core values intact. Let's keep it that way. I believe it should be banned and a Federal and State assisted effort to clean up the illegal cultivation should start now.

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    Re: Revenue
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:29:07   By: Anonymous
     
    Core values should include the ability to have an income, provide for one's family, and have a county government financially capable of sustaining the fundamental functions of public safety, education, and public health. Rural counties are in a permanent state of decline -- not just in California, not just in the United States, but in nearly every country in the world -- because the future economy is based in cities (and has been trending that way for the past 100 years). If rural areas don't get imaginative in thinking about their competitive advantage, they are going to turn out like many areas of the midwest -- depopulated and dormant.

    Our competitive advantage arises from natural resources, of which agriculture is primary. But, the future of traditional agriculture is also in decline. So we need to get creative. Cannabis may turn out to be just that turning point in our opportunity space.

    I am not saying cannabis WILL be that turning point. It has to be carefully regulated and measured. If the costs are too great compared to the benefits, then shut it down. But the silly numbers provided by the opposition, including the most recent document submitted by Dennis Mills are neither credible nor useful. Hysteria is no substitute for reason.

    The reality is that Calaveras County is divided -- even bitterly divided. But we are not having the conversation we should be having -- what is the economic future of Calaveras County and how do we sustain it? Building Dollar Stores and part-time asphalt plants is not a plan -- its the symptom of an underlying disease that is rotting the fabric of our county.

    I am not convinced cannabis cultivation is a panacea, but it is clear that in this country, the cannabis train has left the station. We can either benefit from this momentum or lose another chance to experiment with economic vitality.

    If you want to claim this is a moral issue, I would remind you that budgets are moral acts as well.

    John MacWillie

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      Re: Revenue
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:52:08   By: Anonymous
       
      THANK YOU for signing your name

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      Re: Revenue
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 15:34:26   By: Anonymous
       
      Thank you for this, John....and David!

      Mickey Williamson

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        Re: Revenue
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 21:01:12   By: Anonymous
         
        Sign the petition.

        Clyde Clapp

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          Re: Revenue
          Posted on: 2017-10-24 05:38:07   By: Anonymous
           
          Recall Clyde Clapp

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            Re: Revenue
            Posted on: 2017-10-24 10:02:36   By: Anonymous
             
            Yes, recall him. Clyde Clapp is a reckless culture warrior recklessly seeking to vent his hatred of hippies, liberals, feminists, non-white folks . . . the kind of "outsiders" that keep this county from falling further into an already present financial decline. Imagine what will happen when this county has the reputation of a sort of Alabama within California. Tourists (mostly Bay Area liberals with money) will stay away in droves. If you own a restaurant or wine tasting room, get off your ass now and fight the wrecking ball coming your way. --David K. Sweet

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              Re: Revenue be damned
              Posted on: 2017-10-24 11:30:08   By: Anonymous
               
              "(mostly Bay Area liberals with money) will stay away in droves. "??
              Huzzah!! Now we know the solution to the dilution. Happy days could be here again!!
              Keep Liberal destruction at the Bay.

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    Re: Revenue
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:25:11   By: Anonymous
     
    Except it's legal in California. You don't really expect to see Jeff Sessions visiting Calaveras, do you?

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    Re: Revenue
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 16:11:26   By: Anonymous
     
    It is still illegal per Federal Law. No State., County or City can go about making laws unto themselves that over ride Federal Law. Look it up in the Library of Congress.

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      Ignoring Stupid Laws
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 17:12:32   By: Anonymous
       
      Very few people seem to have learned anything from the previous train wreck that was Prohibition. Outlawing things that people really enjoy only drives that activity underground. And the thugs that provide access to that underground activity make a killing. The money is so good that the gangs slaughter each other for domination. Twas only after many states allowed alcohol that the Federal Gov finally revoked Prohibition.

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        Re: Ignoring Stupid Laws
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 19:37:48   By: Anonymous
         
        I have to agree that it seems to be headed for Federal court sometime soon, maybe within a decade. Can Calaveras county deal with the head aches that Colorado has been dealing with?? Observing many of the Board meetings I think a tremendous amount of staff salary was waisted on a parallel plan of regulation vs Ban!


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        The Immoral Banners
        Posted on: 2017-10-24 09:47:36   By: Anonymous
         
        Mr. Vassar uses facts and simple logic to point out we will all experience something between a high price and catastrophic financial loss because a segment of this county doesn't care about the wrecking the county for a generation as long as it gets to have a culture war victory against a group of people they don't know or understand, but hate with a passion. Most growers are farmers, good neighbors, doing everything they can obey state and county law. They seek the eradication of illegal grows and the arrest and expulsion of the bad neighbor-criminals behind them. The ban folks prefer to lie about the good neighbor growers and smear them all as bad people. After lying about them, and admitting they don't care about the financial disaster they're about to cause, they try to explain their reckless immorality away by claiming to have higher principles! What a crock. These are some of the most despicable, hateful, bad neighbors in the county. One of them is my neighbor, and his property looks like decrepit dump. Clearly a fellow who'd rather violate the spirit of live and let live while forcing his neighbors to look at the squalor he doesn't mind forcing the rest of us to look at.

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      Re: Revenue
      Posted on: 2017-10-24 13:27:10   By: Anonymous
       
      Sign your name

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      Re: Revenue
      Posted on: 2017-10-25 13:47:18   By: Anonymous
       
      There is, of course, that pesky 10th amendment that conservatives cite all the time in defense of states-rights. In Calaveras, the only Republicans that are true to their own philosophy of government are growers and their non-grower friends.

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    Re: Revenue
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 16:48:45   By: Anonymous
     
    you may want to keep things that way but were way past that this county is dieing a slow agonizing death and as much as you may not want it to be it is about money everything is about money so you people need to wake up & smell the "POT" because that is the only thing that may save this county the supervisors that we all of us elected should be ashamed of themselves for not doing their jobs Jack Giramendi is the only one who is doing his job his constituents want him to fight for cannibus he is the only one who has done his homework the other four shouldn't even be there if they can't make a decision they have had plenty of time to research what they don't no in order to make an "INFORMED' decision if they can't then shame on them they will be up for re -election and they should "not" be re-elected we need leaders who will make decisions .With everything that this county lacking really a re-call of Jack Giramendi is a waste of time & money he is doing exactly what he was elected to do You all need do some research look for the truth about what u are seeking the cannibus is here it's not going away we can embrace it and prosper or die on the vine that's what it comes down to do you think it's still Mayberry your about 30yrs off

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    Re: Revenue
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 18:08:49   By: Anonymous
     
    How come Colorado , Washington and Oregon haven't been taken over by the federal government?

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      Re: Revenue
      Posted on: 2017-10-24 09:56:15   By: Anonymous
       
      There hasn't been a federal crackdown on Colorado and Washington, or the other places that voted to treat cannabis as the non-deadly substance it is, because doing so would ignite something between a legal standoff and civil war. Our Attorney General made it clear on day one after the Trump victory that he will fight every violation of our values. Other Californians are talking about withholding federal tax payments if the feds try to enforce policies that violate California values. The effect on the federal budget of that would be a calamity, and the Trump administration knows it. So anyone trying to rest their argument on the stupid federal law against cannabis is making a childish argument that has about as much to do with what will happen in Calaveras County as plans for hotels on the Moon.

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    Re: Revenue
    Posted on: 2017-10-24 08:29:38   By: Anonymous
     
    You write that we still have our core values intact, but what exactly are those values. Poverty? Backwardness? Being a county that young people have to leave if they want any level of success?

    Marijuana is just a plant that can be grown and used responsibly or irresponsibility. It is not very different in that regard than alcohol, except I'd give an edge to marijuana because it really can relieve nausea and pain in cancer patients (sorry, doubters, but that is a scientific and medical fact).

    I think the real challenge for our BOS is to pass regulations that really will properly control marijuana farms and processing. Let's acknowledge that marijuana is a high value crop and it will attract those with criminal intent. Legal growers must be required to maintain the security of their site at a level commensurate to the risk. I think that means chain link fences, razor wire, and very secure cement or cinder block buildings. Maybe it requires guards. There are enough places where marijuana is legally grown that surely our BOS can find some expert advice (this requires they be smart enough to realize they are NOT experts). Regulations need to also keep the operations away from residential areas where the smell, traffic or noise interferes with a resident's enjoyment of their property.

    If someone decided to run a bank from a card table in the Savemart parking lot, we can be very sure they would get robbed every day and it would put others at risk. We'd never put up with that. Right now that is the way we are allowing growers to operate. But the BOS could change that by requiring real security, paid for by the growers. Banks don't get robbed because they have made themselves hard to rob. Hold growers to the same standard.


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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:33:35   By: Anonymous
 
Since all calaveras cares about is money and they completely disregard state and federal laws, I am opening a prostitution ring, growing organic tobacco, agave and coca. County can charge a fee and collect taxes. Just imagine all the wonderful folk this would bring to our county! All the money would make our children safe. And Garamendi could work as my pimp since he'll be recalled soon!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:37:58   By: Anonymous
     
    Now that is an intelligent response....NOT!

    [Reply ]

    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:51:42   By: Anonymous
     
    sign your name


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      Re: Don't forget!
      Posted on: 2017-10-24 11:32:46   By: Anonymous
       
      Why didn't YOU sign your name.....Hypocrite.
      Must be a Liberal.

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        Re: Don't forget!
        Posted on: 2017-10-24 13:30:00   By: Anonymous
         
        So you're a liberal then?

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    Sheriff
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:52:55   By: Anonymous
     
    As the Sheriff said "cannabis will still be in Calaveras County, it always has.
    The county has the opportunity to regulate, and enforce with the latest technology.
    Pollution problems can be mitigated, as the EIR report stated.
    The rational solution is strict regulation and a moratorium on the number of grows.
    A Ban will open up the county to litigation which will definitely cost all residents, and deplete the county's coffers, causing debt, and more cost to the county.

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      Re: Sheriff
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 09:57:55   By: Anonymous
       
      ROFLMAO,drugs have been rampant for years in Calaveras county. Core values in CC can mean anything from phony Christians to Sheet wearing bible thumping Klamper uhh Klanners. Got it all here.


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      Re: Sheriff
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:36:58   By: Anonymous
       
      It is easier to identify growers to eradicate if ALL are banned.
      The County can retrieve eradication costs by putting liens on property. If the property is abandoned, a forced sale can occur.
      'Good' growers will stop growing. 'Bad' growers will get caught.
      You might want to check the law . . . because it is doubtful the County can restrict the 'number' of grow sites allowed if the sites meet the conditions of a regulation.
      The Sheriff's job would be easier under a ban. No murders to investigate. Fewer home burglaries. Lower homeless issues (yes, the interim workers live in our parks and behind buildings.)
      The Sheriff will not lose staff. He has 8 deputies assigned to pot. He has 8 open deputy positions. He said if his pot funding was reduced, he'd move the 8 pot deputies into the 8 open positions. These positions are already covered in the 2017-2018 county budget.

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        Re: Sheriff
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 11:49:07   By: Anonymous
         
        we should outlaw GUNS so the good guys stop having guns and the BAD GUYS get caught.
        Do you hear how dumb you sound?

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          Re: Sheriff
          Posted on: 2017-10-23 19:48:55   By: Anonymous
           
          Guns are not the issue!!, I do not want the Cartel here, and they are slowly being flushed out with all the activity with permitting.

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        Re: Sheriff
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 15:55:19   By: Anonymous
         
        Please sign your name


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        Re: Sheriff
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 21:02:33   By: Anonymous
         
        Signed

        Dennis Mills

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:14:55   By: Anonymous
     
    Word of wisdom from t bone Todd fordhal. Todd you are not smart. You write like a grumpy 2yr old. Go do some police work and get off the web.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 18:49:30   By: Anonymous
       
      You may not agree with Todd, but he has an amazing amount of experience here. He has no reason to mislead. You are incorrect, and way off in your insults.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 19:34:32   By: Anonymous
         
        Ok Todd

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2017-10-23 21:03:33   By: Anonymous
           
          HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, CROOKED LYING TODD.

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            Re: HAHAHAHAHAHA!
            Posted on: 2017-10-24 10:54:00   By: Anonymous
             
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! LYING, CHEATING, CROOKED HILLARY!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!


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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:04:55   By: Anonymous
 
Its pathetic when your officials think that growing and selling a federally illegal drug is the only way to balance a budget!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:16:10   By: Anonymous
     
    Todd go tbone some old people at an intersection. Get off the net. Or atleast sign your name if you think your commentary is honorable and valuable to the tax payer.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:25:41   By: Anonymous
       
      Blah blah blah. BAN it. Somehow we poor, dumb old, country folks managed to function before the scourge and your blood money. Move on.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 15:08:48   By: Anonymous
         
        If you expect to be taken seriously, sign your name.


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          Re:
          Posted on: 2017-10-23 21:58:13   By: Anonymous
           
          If you expect to be taken seriously, sign YOUR name.

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2017-10-24 10:33:38   By: Anonymous
             
            why, so you can harass my grandma and cousins?

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2017-10-29 22:22:25   By: Anonymous
               
              Why doesn't that argument apply to everyone?

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2017-10-24 13:34:29   By: Anonymous
         
        Steven R Smith you've given yourself away, dumb ass!

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:24:15   By: Anonymous
 
Thank you for your thoughtful and intelligent response, David. People like to talk about quality of life here in Calaveras a lot but many of those same people expect services for themselves and their families. The Sheriff himself was quoted as saying he'll need a least 600K more to enforce a ban. Our Controller has said that we're basically operating on Measure C funds. Teachers are striking for smaller class sizes yet the district cannot afford to hire more teachers. Our roads are in shambles, too. Yes, it is about the money for a county to survive much less thrive. And now we're shutting the door on a revenue stream that will likely cost more to ban. Hugely disappointing and very short-sighted. Expect Calaveras will be looking back at this time with regret. I live in a good area and we're planning our exit strategy. There are other affordable, unspoiled areas to live that also offer access to better medical care and more. All the things one needs to consider as we age. Expect I'm not alone.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-10-24 10:35:10   By: Anonymous
     
    You are not alone! The only sensible choice is to allow properly controlled cultivation. Marijuana is here and will stay here. The only question is whether Calaveras has the will and the resources to properly control it or if we turn our backs on the resources and watch illegal cultivation drain our resources.

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      Re: Reason Lost
      Posted on: 2017-10-24 11:38:29   By: Anonymous
       
      Heck! If your willing to sacrifice your morals for money, why not legalize Opium poppy cultivation and Heroin manufacturing?
      There's much more money to be made and once you've gained a customer, they're yours for life....
      However short that may be.

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        Re: Reason Lost
        Posted on: 2017-10-25 13:53:34   By: Anonymous
         
        If we take you at your word regarding morality, we can expect you to start picketing the liquor store directly across the street from Bret Hart HS in Angels Camp. If not, then everyone will know the morality line is a convenient lie.


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          Re: Reason Lost
          Posted on: 2017-10-25 21:23:57   By: Anonymous
           
          You're tossing a red herring, junior.
          Alcohol is legal in fifty states, cannabis is slightly legal in this county and questionable elsewhere.
          Alcohol is brewed or distilled in very controlled environments with security and taxation accountability usually with union employees and not next door to your once beautiful horse ranch.
          Distillers don't have unkempt flatlander wanna-be hillbilly cowboys waving guns around and getting wild at night on the company grounds.
          Distillers and brewers make their products responsibly on controlled, commercial zoned property.
          AND ,....when they wire in lights and fans, they call an actual certified electrician, not some stoner with a screwdriver and a pair of dykes.

          Get a grip, homie.

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Ban or Tightly Regulate
Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:24:24   By: Anonymous
 
Yes. Calaveras is divided. Sadly, a dispensary owner took away our ability to voice our opinion last November. Mr. Tom did not want us to decide for ourselves. Why?

Growers, registered or not, are not necessarily good neighbors. Some have vicious dogs that get lose and kill neighbor foul and cats. Some sneak water at night out of neighbor ponds. Workers speed on county and private roads and throw out trash. Some growers expand grow sites after inspection, knowing code compliance will not be back for a year.

All registered growers knew the UO was TEMPORARY. There was no promise of future growing once it expired. If they elect to sue should a ban be the vote, it proves they don't give a S--T about our County.

What is wrong with a ban, possibly with a term limit of until 2020 . . . just like the UO. This would allow State to get its laws and processes (like Track and Trace) in place. Then Calaveras can revisit allowing tightly regulated growing of medical cannabis in commercial, general ag, and industrial zoning. Ideally, by then we'd have a General Plan.

No reasonable person can believe the amount of pot being grown here is being directed 100% to medical dispensaries. Proof? People have been arrested in other states with pot originating in our County.

My vote: Ban now. Put a term limit on it like the UO. Growers have had 2 years to profit. We have their second tax installment to help the sheriff with eradication. (Remember . . . in 2016 they paid NO taxes. . . all profit to them.) Other counties may help us fund eradication to protect the watershed. I'm sure the DEA would love to get an inroad into the County to arrest growers.

District 1 Voter

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    Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:32:56   By: Anonymous
     
    Um, those who registered in 2016 did pay a fee- $7,000 if I remember right.

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      Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:50:55   By: Anonymous
       
      Money from-
      -contaminating businesses
      -those that sell pot to our kids
      -those that grow and it's all about the money, not the community
      -those who employ people that are not the most upstanding citizens and really don't care about our county
      -those that just make lousy neighbors, their places look like dumps, they are noisy and some growers and employees are very threatening
      -they draw thieves to our neighborhoods at night looking for easy taking related to pot and probably anything that looks worth taking
      -their grows smell worse than the dumps
      -so much more traffic than before, speeding vehicles and trash tossed out of windows all the time
      -those grows that destroy property values
      Yeah, ban doesn't sound like a good idea. Things are just plain out of control!
      BAN, BAN & BAN some more!

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        Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
        Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:54:16   By: Anonymous
         
        This person did not sign however they speak for many good Calaveras residents, "good: meaning honest working and tax paying citizens who really do care about this county and spend their money here in the county.

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          Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
          Posted on: 2017-10-23 15:56:59   By: Anonymous
           
          Why would they be afraid to sign their name, unless it is the same three people who have been trolling this subject from the beginning?


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    Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:38:13   By: Anonymous
     
    Ban it! How about bringing in a McDonald's or Kohls? They would bring revenue without drug money! Then folks don't have to live next to filthy, smelly drug dealers who shoot guns and party all night.

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      Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:45:45   By: Anonymous
       
      That sounds like Tuolumne County's strategy. They have McDonalds and Kohls and they have a worse drug problem than Calaveras. Low paying jobs is not the answer.

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      Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 10:58:11   By: Anonymous
       
      They do that? YES THEY DO!
      Ban it!

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    Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 15:10:34   By: Anonymous
     
    If you expect anyone to listen to you, sign your name. Otherwise you are just another fake politician.

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      Re: Ban or Tightly Regulate
      Posted on: 2017-10-24 11:40:27   By: Anonymous
       
      Fake politician!
      You didn't sign your name.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-10-23 11:01:39   By: Anonymous
 
AND... what happens when California is hit with another drought and all our contaminated wells go dry? Growers simply move and find another community to destroy while the locals who own our homes are stuck with no water, can't sell, can't live!

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May 2010...
Posted on: 2017-10-23 11:49:37   By: Anonymous
 
THAT is when the train left the station! THAT is when the BOS decided to do nothing about the marijuana issue. THAT is when the influx of growers started moving in.

September 2015...
THAT is when everybody started noticing!

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    Re: May 2010...
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 12:24:46   By: Anonymous
     
    It's too damn bad that the voters did not get the opportunity to vote. We did however elect some supervisors based on their stance on skunk weed. Ban it!


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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-10-23 18:47:50   By: Anonymous
 
Come on, David. You know full well the UOP study was commissioned and funded by a pro-commercial marijuana advocate who wants a variety of licenses. How do these things turn out? You guessed it. Here's what you're not stating: the actual money maker in Calaveras County (per the report, no less) is tourism. The inflated numbers are just that. So please. The reality is that we have more environmental releases than we ever had, in more frequency and severity than before the UO "temporary" regulation that two previous supervisors hastily pushed without sufficient data or research. Now we are in a world of hurt. So is this a train wreck? Not yet. But we very well could be if we don't ban commercial cultivation and do the compassionate thing, which was what was initially requested. Let's pay attention to the medical patients and caregivers. The rest will have to choose another of the many, many occupations here.

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Train Wreck
Posted on: 2017-10-23 19:53:22   By: Anonymous
 
Thank you for the article

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    Re: Train Wreck
    Posted on: 2017-10-23 20:09:46   By: Anonymous
     
    sorry, district 3 resident


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      Re: Train Wreck
      Posted on: 2017-10-23 21:04:23   By: Anonymous
       
      I am an idiot, and I will sign my name.

      Clyde Clapp

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        Re: Revenue
        Posted on: 2017-10-24 07:57:09   By: Anonymous
         
        There hasn't been a federal crackdown on Colorado and Washington, or the other places that voted to treat cannabis as the non-deadly substance it is, because doing so would ignite something between a legal standoff and civil war. Our Attorney General made it clear on day one after the Trump victory that he will fight every violation of our values. Other Californians are talking about withholding federal tax payments if the feds try to enforce policies that violate California values. The effect on the federal budget of that would be a calamity, and the Trump administration knows it. So anyone trying to rest their argument on the stupid federal law against cannabis is making a childish argument that has about as much to do with what will happen in Calaveras County as plans for hotels on the Moon.

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          Re:"Reap what you sow"
          Posted on: 2017-10-24 10:37:39   By: Anonymous
           
          They don't call it "dope" for nothing. Our tax dollars are being misspent. Calaveras County has been a great place to live until this dope thing happened. Too many liberals running our government equals priorities out of wack.

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            Re: Re:"Reap what you sow"
            Posted on: 2017-10-24 13:47:40   By: Anonymous
             
            Only idiots like yourself call it "dope". Is that you stevie retard smith? Hahaha blah blah blah who are you where you from? Go back to painting like some 2 year old.

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              Re: Re:"Reap what you sow"
              Posted on: 2017-10-24 13:49:06   By: Anonymous
               
              Love willy billy

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                Re: Re:"Reap what you sow"
                Posted on: 2017-10-24 14:32:14   By: Anonymous
                 
                Maybe Houston, Florida, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands can solve their problems the way Calaveras is. GENIUS And why not all the third world countries on the planet too. Oh, lets not forget all the other wildfire disasters.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-10-24 14:58:24   By: Anonymous
 
It's interesting to me that in a County that is very vocal about being pro Second Amendment, we are having this argument. Consistently we are told that growing marijuana breeds crime. Crimes most often committed with guns. Guns that everybody insists we should be able to have. Marijuana does not kill people, guns do not kill people. Bad people kill people. The right to use your property as you see fit without damaging or hurting your neighbors should never be questioned. And if we are going to use the excuse the cultivating marijuana is more damaging then wiping out ranches to build golf courses and subdivisions and shopping malls it's not going to fly. Regulation will always be the solution to any problems connected to cannabis cultivation. I have lived in the Foothills since 1990 and the drug problem here is not new. Marijuana cultivation in remote areas is not new. And your personal moral compass may not be mine. When I see people encouraging massive growth by Developers, while insisting that other parcel owners cannot grow marijuana it stinks of hypocrisy.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-10-24 16:28:54   By: Anonymous
     
    Agreed, these folks are so extremely backwards. And emotionally unstable it's unnerving.

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      Re: Inmates?
      Posted on: 2017-10-24 20:48:20   By: Anonymous
       
      Sure, lets allow the inmates to run the asylum. Dopes with dopey ideas are not the answer to a prosperous society.

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