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Posted by: thepinetree on 05/02/2016 09:30 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 05/02/2016 09:30 AM
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Calaveras Supervisors Agenda For Tuesday, May 3rd. Marijuana Urgency Ordinance Not On Agenda Due To Brown Act Requirements

San Andreas, CA...The agenda for the special Board of Supervisors meeting scheduled for Tuesday, May 3, 2016 is enclosed. The draft urgency ordinance related to medical marijuana could not be finalized to meet the Brown Act posting requirement. Today, the Board will discuss a future meeting date for the urgency ordinance to be discussed.

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Board of Supervisors Special Meeting
5/3/2016 9:00 AM
Board of Supervisors Chambers
891 Mountain Ranch Road   San Andreas, CA 95249

 


Call to Order
Roll Call
CLOSED SESSION AGENDA
1. Closed Session: Public Employee - pursuant to Government Code Section 54957 (b)(1): Building Official - Board action:
Pledge of Allegiance
Announcements
The draft urgency ordinance related to medical marijuana could not be finalized to meet the Brown Act posting requirement. The Board will discuss a future meeting date for the urgency ordinance to be discussed.
9:00 AM to 9:30 AM: PUBLIC COMMENT
UPCOMING ITEMS -- TENTATIVE SCHEDULE
May 2016: PACE Program
June 14-17, 2016: FY 2016/17 Budget Hearings



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Sheriff's Update?
Posted on: 2016-05-02 11:28:15   By: Anonymous
 
Has anyone heard how the interviews for Sheriff's is going? Did the applicants decide to go one at a time, or all together on a panel? For those of you attending in person, what do you think? Who's doing well?

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    Re: Sheriff's Update?
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 11:34:24   By: Anonymous
     
    they are doing them separate. 20 questions each

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      Re: Sheriff's Update?
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 11:37:57   By: Anonymous
       
      more delays...the boards whishy washy attitude manifests itself in the number of maryjane growers flocking to mtn ranch. The board has let us all down. except for the growers. RIP Mtn. Ranch

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        Re: Sheriff's Update?
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 11:39:35   By: Anonymous
         
        Keep "kicking the can down the road" until there isn't any can or road left. Weak ass board, starting with the chairman.

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        Re: Sheriff's Update?
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 12:05:49   By: Anonymous
         
        Board, do the community of Mtn. Ranch right..we want families not pot growers with pit bulls and guns...this is insane, we want our town back to tecover from the fire not battered with this horrible additional problem. Stop this nightmare!!!!

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          Re: Sheriff's Update?
          Posted on: 2016-05-02 12:36:38   By: Anonymous
           
          Psst, many growers have families. And dogs. And maybe guns too. Isn't this Calaveras, where everyone and their dog packs lead?

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            Re: Sheriff's Update?
            Posted on: 2016-05-02 13:26:06   By: Anonymous
             
            CPS and Animal Control should fix that right away.

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              Re: Sheriff's Update?
              Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:23:47   By: Anonymous
               
              Anyone who drinks should have their pets & children taken from them.

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                Re: Sheriff's Update?
                Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:39:14   By: Anonymous
                 
                Angry guy, you are so thin!

                Come up with something new.

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        Re: Sheriff's Update?
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 15:23:18   By: Anonymous
         
        Better hire a lot of deputies by harvest season as it will be open season for the thieves and dangerous for the growers and their helpers who boast of how they will shoot the thieves let alone the dangers for the innocent residents who have grows turning up all around them. BOS, if anything tragic happens it will be on your shoulders for not giving the SO rules and regulations to enforce. This pot is not always going where they claim it is. Ban it, make them grow in commercial buildings where they have to abide by codes.

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          Re: Sheriff's Update?
          Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:43:09   By: Anonymous
           
          Open season on dopers!

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          Re: Sheriff's Update?
          Posted on: 2016-05-03 09:58:16   By: Anonymous
           
          deadly force CANNOT be used to protect property..


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            Re: Sheriff's Update?
            Posted on: 2016-05-03 17:33:52   By: Anonymous
             
            but my Mom's meatloaf can.

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      Re: Sheriff's Update?
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 12:13:25   By: Anonymous
       
      Are the applicants in the room separately or are they all together and the first guy is the guinea pig and all subsequent applicants are learning from his comments and making theirs stronger?

      Heck, if they keep them out of the room, I'm sure SOMEONE will text the other applicants the questions in the waiting room.

      This was a stupid idea to hold a public interview session. So much room for abuse and politics.

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        Re: Sheriff's Update?
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:46:53   By: Anonymous
         
        You were right. Full abuse on display today. I didn't think the supervisors could get any worse but they have.

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    Re: Sheriff's Update?
    Posted on: 2016-05-03 05:57:25   By: Anonymous
     
    The BOS (except Edson) selected the one candidate who did poorly, and is being endorsed by the marijuana people....

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      Re: Sheriff's Update?
      Posted on: 2016-05-03 15:18:01   By: Anonymous
       
      The "Marijuana People"?

      Are they of this planet?
      Do they breathe the same air?
      Are they going to cull the human race and consume it's inhabitants?

      I'm getting scared.

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        Re: "marijuana people":
        Posted on: 2016-05-03 18:51:16   By: Anonymous
         
        Okay, then- how about these alternate names:
        1) skanky, stinky, self-righteous hippie
        2) deluded, self-righteous pot store owner/employee
        3) greedy, careless, self-righteous pot "farmer"
        4) greedy, self-righteous "physician"
        5) loser weed addict, who is physically and spiritually sick
        6) driver-under-the-influence of weed
        7) liar who lies about illness to get a pot card
        8) underage kids who smoke with mom and dad
        9) pot store employee/ addict who lies about THC/CBD levels
        10) advertiser who concocts ads for edible pot aimed at children
        11) person who has lost anything and everything to their addiction, and now wants the county to enable that addiction
        12) greedy, rude, deluded and self-righteous pot "farmers" from various other California counties out to ruin Calaveras county for their own selfish ends
        ....and on and on it goes....



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          Re: "marijuana people":
          Posted on: 2016-05-04 00:51:52   By: Anonymous
           
          Links please.

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Please, Board of Supes....
Posted on: 2016-05-02 12:23:13   By: Anonymous
 
Please please please keep the so-called medical marijuana industry out of our county. Please. There are a minority of casual and addicted pot users who want the rest of us to just shut the hell up so they can grow and smoke. There is a minority of so-called farmers, who are also pot addicts, who want to drive pot policy for our county. It would be rather like allowing the tobacco companies and cigarette makers to monitor and set policy for their own industry. Yup-totally true: the addicts can go to another county/town/city. Fine.

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    Re: Please, Board of Supes......
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:25:46   By: Anonymous
     
    State-wide proposition dummy.

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      Re: State wide proposition, dummy....
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:30:25   By: Anonymous
       
      Wanna' play?! I'll show you a ballot initiative, assh*le:

      California Drug Prevention Groups Put Marijuana Reform Initiative on 2016 Ballot

      On November 25 the California Attorney General’s Office approved for circulation a ballot initiative submitted as The Safe and Drug-Free Community Act, now called MEDICAL MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE. The initiative was submitted by Roger Morgan, Founding Chairman of the Take Back America Campaign and is co-sponsored by Citizens Against Legalizing Marijuana (CALM) and The International Faith Based Coalition (IFBC).

      The essence of the initiative continues making marijuana available to the few for whom the benefits may outweigh the harms, but ban privately owned grow sites in favor of one site owned or sanctioned by the government. By doing so, the potency, compounds, dosage and packaging can be more safely managed. It also looks to curb abuses under the current program while improving public safety and reducing teen drug abuse.

      Proponents say the initiative seeks to address the many abuses caused by Proposition 215 in California, which started in 1996 as a means of providing marijuana to a few who were suffering from chronic illnesses. “California’s medical marijuana program morphed into a free-for-all and spawned 50,000 cultivation sites in California, most of them illegal. Cartels have invaded our precious National Forests, but all of the grow sites on public or private land are inflicting irreparable environmental damage.” explains drug prevention leader, Roger Morgan.

      “Today, California is supplying 60% of the recreational marijuana in the United States. Thousands of dispensaries in California sell marijuana to anyone 18 years or older for any purported illness. These actions are well outside the intent of Prop 215. They violate federal law and are contrary to public health and safety for Californians and the nation,” Morgan further explains.

      Teen use is rising in the state which is a cause of concern for long-time drug prevention activists. Researchers are finding that high-potency marijuana can cause permanent brain damage and loss of IQ to anyone under the age of 25. Marijuana concentrates (THC content can go as high as 90%) often lauded as “medicine” and sold in the form of cookies, candies or used in vape pens are becoming commonplace in California youth culture.

      Scott Chipman, Co-Founder of CALM, says, “…The adverse impacts on young people, our communities and our natural resources have been enormous, as well as the social and economic impact on local communities. Over 83% of communities in California have a ban or moratorium on dispensaries or cultivation, so we know most people don’t want more marijuana.”

      Bishop Dr. Ron Allen of IFBC adds, “…If we continue to allow marijuana to adversely affect the brains of our youth, they have no future, nor do we as a nation. We are already 24th (last) in the industrialized world academically. The school dropout rate is a significant problem in minority communities, which in turn leads to more poverty, crime and welfare. Marijuana’s contribution to crime is evident when 59% of all those arrested in Sacramento test positive just for marijuana; 83% for any drug. We don’t need more marijuana. We need less.”

      Traffic safety is another goal of the MEDICAL MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE. “Of great importance…” says Dr. Phillip Drum, whose sister was killed by a pot-impaired driver in Seattle, “…the bill also adds clarity to what constitutes impairment related to traffic accidents and deaths. Since 2004, when marijuana was made available for any illness, traffic deaths owing to marijuana impairment have doubled. Nationally, 12.6% (one in eight) of all drivers are impaired by marijuana to some degree, so the streets aren’t safe. For that matter, stoned drivers are even killing people on sidewalks.”

      An advocate of education to prevent early drug use, Morgan says, “We believe if people understand the harms of today’s pot far fewer will use it, allow their kids to use it, or vote for anyone or anything that would expand the use.”

      Citizens can follow the campaign on Facebook.

      This is the part where you start foaming at the mouth and calling me a douchebag....cuz you got nothin but a buzz.


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Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
Posted on: 2016-05-02 12:43:03   By: Anonymous
  Edited By: thepinetree
On: 2016-05-03 17:18:04
Too Personal

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    Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:40:22   By: Anonymous
     
    Amen brother.

    Fight the big lie.

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    Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 18:23:09   By: Anonymous
     
    Without medical marijuana, dispensed legally for start to finish, my husband would have stopped eating all together before his death months later. I take some comfort in the fact that it helped his appetite and gave him some relief from his chronic pain for many years. He stopped vaporizing when it no longer helped. Then the torture of watching him wither away and grimacing with any movement, was heart wrenching,
    I prayed for his release from this earthly torture. He began his final journey on Christmas eve day. He enjoyed 3 days full of all the holiday foods he loved so much. Hospice began New Years Eve day. He said goodbye and was gone in 23 days. He was in his 80's. All of his specialists at Stanford approved his use of medical marijuana for as long as he wanted. I tossed all of his stash in the trash after he left. So don't judge some one until you walk a mile in their shoes.

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      Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 18:52:09   By: Anonymous
       
      Bravo. Great post. Cannabinoids have been medically recognized treatment for years. But only cannabinol or marinol in a form manufactured by drug companies . But that drug costs thousands for a monthly prescription. New laws will make it available to people without having to pay the drug companies.

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        Re: "Marinol costs thousands for a monthly prescription"- horsesh*t
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:21:46   By: Anonymous
         
        Marinol is available by prescription so dosage and cost are readily available. According to a pharmacist at Sav-On Drugs in Los Angeles, Marinol pills have an average retail price of $1.81 per milligram (2.5mg pill = $1.73/mg, 5mg pill = $2.05/mg, 10mg pill = $1.65/mg). Most patients use 5.0 mg pills. -June 2015

        It's also no fun because it's actually safe and therapeutic and has very little THC....whatta' buzzkill.

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          Re: "Marinol costs thousands for a monthly prescription"- horsesh*t
          Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:51:23   By: Anonymous
           
          State of California Patient Assistance Programs for Dronabinol, Generic Marinol:

          Patient assistance programs (PAPs) are usually sponsored by pharmaceutical companies and provide free or discounted medicines to low income or uninsured and under-insured people who meet specific guidelines. Eligibility requirements vary for each program.

          (But it's just so much easier to get baked with a fancy little vape...)

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        Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
        Posted on: 2016-05-03 10:00:40   By: Anonymous
         
        but THC has no medicinal value, but no one wants to talk about selling medicine without it..

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    Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:45:22   By: Anonymous
      Edited By: thepinetree
    On: 2016-05-03 17:19:59
    Too Personal

    Thank you ////////// for helping those that need Medical Marijuana. I watched my father suffer with cancer losing weight rapidly and not having an appetite. With the use of marijuana he was able to eat, gain weight and not be as ill. Unless you have all he facts I suggest that you keep your opinions to yourself. When our government can find a way to tax marijuana, through controlled warehousing, it will be legal! Do I smoke pot? Absolutely not, but I do not deny those that need it. Jenny Baxter

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      Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 22:43:49   By: Anonymous
        Edited By: thepinetree
      On: 2016-05-03 17:21:11
      Too Personal

      Yeah, thanks //////////// for denigrating your profession, violating the Hippocratic Oath, and losing the respect of your patients and community to your own foolish delusions and unfounded opinions concerning "pain management". Physicians have no business pandering for the "medical" marijuana industry. How many people have been prescribed pot for therapeutic purposes (and, oh yeah, the good doc makes a quick buck, too) and then used the card to buy weed for recreational purposes? Ever heard of cannibas use disorder? How about the highly concentrated toxins in vape smoke? DUI's? Smokers cough? Pot + opiates? Pot + opiates + anti-depressants? Psychosis brought on by the severely mentally ill trying to self-medicate? Paranoia? Increased depression and anxiety? Painful withdrawal symptoms? No? Maybe you can get some quasi- facts from High Times.....rest easy, pot peddlers: you've got blind delusion on your side.

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    Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county:
    Posted on: 2016-05-03 15:50:33   By: Anonymous
     
    You should have the guts to sign your name if you are going to accuse people in your posting!

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    Re: Pot nightmare in Calaveras county: "Too personal"
    Posted on: 2016-05-03 19:17:37   By: Anonymous
     
    Ok:
    The pain management doctor, the former Calaveras county supervisor, the restaurant owner, the hardware store owner and the winery & vineyard owner PUT THEMSELVES in the public arena when they pushed to get a marijuana regulation on the ballot.

    Here is the stated intention of their ballot initiative:

    "The people of Calaveras County recognize that the County needs to adopt codes to assist with managing a well-regulated cannabis industry that is accountable to the citizens and to County government. The initiative provides the means to recover costs resulting from the management
    and regulation of cannabis activity. "

    "The people of Calaveras county" my butt. They don't speak for me at all. Most Calaveras county citizens don't want pot farms and out of control dispensaries in our county.



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The introduction to the Brown Act:
Posted on: 2016-05-02 12:48:00   By: Anonymous
 
"In enacting this chapter, the Legislature finds and declares that the public commissions, boards and councils and the other public agencies in this State exist to aid in the conduct of the people's business. It is the intent of the law that their actions be taken openly and that their deliberations be conducted openly. The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created."

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    Re: The introduction to the Brown Act:
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 20:45:19   By: Anonymous
     
    Can anyone explain how the Brown Act Applies to them not discussing the ordinance tomorrow? Is there a valid connection or are they "just kicking the can"?

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      Re: The introduction to the Brown Act:
      Posted on: 2016-05-03 14:30:19   By: Anonymous
       
      The "ordnance" must have time to be given to the public prior to the meeting

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Please, BOS-
Posted on: 2016-05-02 12:58:53   By: Anonymous
 
WHY OPPOSE LEGALIZATION
1) Like the tobacco industry, the marijuana industry is pushing addiction on young brains and developing bodies. The marijuana industry knows that in order to keep a a steady stream of buyers, young and under-aged users need to get “hooked” on their product, a reason they package edibles with bright colors, cartoon characters and imitate popular sweets like cotton candy. The marijuana industry is following the playbook of the tobacco industry.

2) Legalization is promoted as a new and fast way to make money. The marijuana lobby has advanced its cause as the greatest new money-making activity. As the mortgage industry sold itself with the goal of quick profits on the backs of others, the pot industry is pushing marijuana as the next great “get-rich” quick scheme for sales entrepreneurs.

3) Colorado’s governor said his state was “reckless” to legalize marijuana. Colorado’s Attorney General recently said, “It wasn’t worth it.”

4) Every time pro-pot propagandists put out their message, they send a message to the children that pot is harmless. The issue of pot legalization is not about adult users and their freedom, but the deceptive messages aimed at the young. This message can only get stronger after marijuana advertising becomes legal.

5) The talk of legalizing marijuana raises the risk that someone who cares for your child — a babysitter, a bus driver, day care worker or teacher — may be under the influence and endangering the child. A recent 20/20 segment showed the problem of lifeguards on pot.

In 2013, a crane operator in Philadelphia killed 6 and injured 13 while demolishing a building. He tested positive for recent usage of marijuana. The pot lobby’s suggestion that marijuana comes without harm to others is a fallacy.

5) Claims that legalizing marijuana would put criminals and cartels out of business are not based on fact. The Washington Post reported that Mexican cartels have switched to selling heroin in response to pot’s legalization in Colorado. We have heroin epidemics in many parts of the country. Most of the young people who have died from heroin began their drug use with marijuana. Isn’t legalization just making the downfall from drugs faster?

Tax and Regulate Won’t Work

6) Claims that legalization will bring in tax money don’t account for the cost of drug abuse, drug education and health care. Since mental health treatment is now mandated and the US has universal health care, the true cost of legalization could be 10 times greater than the tax income, which will require a bureaucracy to regulate and collect. In fact, Colorado’s actual tax revenues from 2014 are disappointing.

7) Claims that the justice system is unfair and that the War on Drugs hasn’t worked appeal to the strong anti-government, anti-regulatory sentiment. There are easier ways to keep unjust punishments from happening, like changing the sentencing guidelines. Smart Approaches to Marijuana proposes a different, health-based approach to justice. The percentage of people who go to jail for marijuana alone is less than 1/2 of 1 % of those in state prisons. Most places do not incarcerate for marijuana possession unless other crimes are committed. The record has been intentionally exaggerated to sway public opinion.

8) Marijuana legalization has no precedent in the modern world. In the Netherlands, where marijuana has been tolerated in coffeehouse since the 1970s, recent restrictions were put in place. Uruguay, which has 3-1/2 million people, is the only country that has legalized marijuana, and only within the past year. The jury is still out on it. To compare to US to smaller, less powerful countries without diverse populations is faulty logic.

In Great Britain, more comparable the US, cannabis was transferred from a class B drug to class C in 2004, removing the threat of arrest for possession. In response to the problems seen and after noting a marked increase in mental health problems, including bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, it was reclassified back to Class B in 2009. Sweden and Denmark, for example, tightened their laws on marijuana and saw all forms of drug abuse go down.

9) Those who compare marijuana prohibition to alcohol prohibition don’t mention that AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) was founded in 1935, the year after the 13-year prohibition ended.

Marijuana lobbyists state that the 1937 Act which put nationwide marijuana prohibition in place, was a conspiracy. They don’t mention that California banned it in 1913, New York in 1914 and at least 30 states by 1930. Why ignore past experience?

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    Re: Please, BOS-
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:43:16   By: Anonymous
     
    Yes why ignore the past?

    re-instate the alcohol prohibition, as clearly being legal is a fatal mistake.

    [Reply ]

      Re: Please, BOS-
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:42:35   By: Anonymous
       
      F'off angry guy.

      Get help for your addiction.

      [Reply ]

        Re: Please, BOS-
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 22:06:49   By: Anonymous
         
        EXE, Straightedge, lil' fella.

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    Re: Please, BOS-
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:41:38   By: Anonymous
     
    Stop poisoning our children.

    Burn dopers.

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      Re: Please, BOS-
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:13:27   By: Anonymous
       
      And shut down McDonald's!! It has a much higher death rate compared to weed

      And it's more addictive

      [Reply ]

    Re: Please, BOS-
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:10:19   By: Anonymous
     
    Is everyone who drinks an alcoholic and is everyone who smokes and addict?

    Why are you trying to stop people from doing whatever the hell the want on their own property??
    How is this any different than the basic principles of gun control??

    I can have a gun but I choose to not use it in illegal way?
    If I had pot and used it at my own house under my own cognizance... How does anyone get a say in that???


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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-05-02 13:28:44   By: Anonymous
 
Select a strong Sheriff for our county.

One who will run down criminals, including growers and pushers.

Clean Up Calaveras Now!

[Reply ]

    new Sheriff
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:16:50   By: Anonymous
     
    I hope the BOS make the right choice and pick the right man for the job. Gary Redman. He is the right guy.

    [Reply ]

      Re: new Sheriff
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:51:10   By: Anonymous
       
      Who is Gary Redman? Who are the applicants?

      [Reply ]

      Re: new Sheriff
      Posted on: 2016-05-03 05:54:36   By: Anonymous
       
      The BOS (except Edson), selected the one who is endorsed by the marijuana people.

      [Reply ]

      Re: new Sheriff
      Posted on: 2016-05-03 09:26:42   By: Anonymous
       
      Debbie Ponte is the only one with a brain. She always gets out voted!

      [Reply ]

        Re: new Sheriff
        Posted on: 2016-05-03 12:12:47   By: Anonymous
         
        The BOS are all idiots....So now we have a Sheriff that 6 months ago was just a deputy then he gets promoted to sergeant over more qualified people by Kuntz before he passes and now he is the fricken Sheriff? Well, in 6 months he did not learn how to lead or know what it takes to run a department. He has neither the skill nor knowledge to do so. I feel sorry for the command staff of the department as well as the numerous deputies that have felt cheated by this. Get ready for a mass exodus of deputies. Sad day.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:18:32   By: Anonymous
     
    And wait till Sept and Oct when the pot thieves flood our towns. Folks who didnt lose homes left because they are surrounded by these out of town growers. We must take our towns back!!!!

    [Reply ]

      Re:
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:27:13   By: Anonymous
       
      Burn the wineries! plow-under the vineyards!
      Our Children mean too much to let alcohol be the norm.

      [Reply ]

        Re:
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 15:40:20   By: Anonymous
         
        Not the growers we are talking about. The growers that are buyjng up every piece of land only to grow for sales, not building homes and community, not caring about the environment, streams, wildlife. Using the land and leaving in winter to go to their real homes. Firefighters saw the mounds of trash at sites, junk piles, fertilizer and pesticide bags next to creeks.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:45:30   By: Anonymous
           
          Run them down, offer no quarter!

          [Reply ]

They destroyed Murphys
Posted on: 2016-05-02 14:40:41   By: Anonymous
 
Freaking booze-peddling moneybags.

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    Re: They destroyed Murphys
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 16:46:33   By: Anonymous
     
    Find cliff, walk off. The taller the better.

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      Re: They destroyed Murphys
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 19:23:38   By: Anonymous
       
      do you fall faster if you're taller?

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    Re: They destroyed Murphys
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 20:24:10   By: Anonymous
     
    dude...get off the anti booze thing....this isn't about booze bongaholic.....its about bad growers and their complete lack of care for this county, its inhabitants, the enviornment, business, taxes, permits, the law.....when should I stop?....its about the bad growers anti-wine dude....get a new arguement. Yours is sooooooo weak.

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      Re: They destroyed Murphys
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 20:25:28   By: Anonymous
       
      Don't worry....The Board Chairman, Cliff Clavin, will figure it out...After all he is a short order cook..........

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      Re: They destroyed Murphys
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 20:52:00   By: Anonymous
       
      To speak to the alcohol comparison there are not criminals coming to rob wineries endangering the neighbors. Wineries bring ambiance, tax revenue, and respect to their neighborhoods. Many of these grows are trashy, rude, and dangerous! Not all - but Many! Like all things the bad ones are ruining it for the good. No alcohol is not good for us either, at times yes more dangerous! I do not drink. I would rather be neighbors with a winery then a pot grow any day though.

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        Re: They destroyed Murphys
        Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:06:20   By: Anonymous
         
        Pot is not addictive.

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          Re: They destroyed Murphys
          Posted on: 2016-05-02 22:56:42   By: Anonymous
           
          CANNABIS USE DISORDER

          A problematic pattern of cannabis use leading to clinically significant impairment or distress. Typically includes a strong desire to take the drug, difficulties in controlling its use, persisting in its use despite harmful consequences, a higher priority given to drug use than to other activities and obligations, increased tolerance, and sometimes a physical withdrawal state.
          Predictions:

          Episodic/Continuous For Years

          Occupational-Economic:
          Causes academic and/or vocational impairment (due to impairment of memory and motivation)

          Cooperation:
          Some develop suspiciousness, social withdrawal

          Justice (Disorganized, Careless):
          Intoxicated behavior, impaired driving
          Impulsivity, dangerous risk taking, irresponsibility
          Marital/child neglect in heavy users; legal problems

          Wisdom (Irrational):
          Cannabis intoxication causes:
          Impaired motor coordination
          Sensation of slowed time, impaired judgment
          Decreased short term memory, learning impairment, apathy (even when not intoxicated)
          Less commonly, cannabis intoxication can cause psychosis:
          Paranoia or acute psychosis with delusions & hallucinations
          Can trigger schizophrenia in 4% of regular users
          Less commonly, cannabis intoxication can cause delirium:
          Disturbance in attention (ie, reduced ability to direct focus, sustain, and shift attention) and awareness (reduced orientation to the environment)
          Disturbance in cognition (ie, memory deficit, disorientation, language, visuospatial ability, or perception)
          Self-Control (Reserved, Quiet):
          Intoxication causes relaxation, sleepiness, and mild euphoria (getting high)

          Courage:
          Intoxication can cause anxiety and panic

          Medical:
          Denial of addiction; respiratory illness; lung cancer
          Marijuana is often cut with hallucinogens and other, more dangerous drugs that have more serious side effects than marijuana.

          From: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5)

          The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), offers a common language and standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders. It is used, or relied upon, by clinicians, researchers, psychiatric drug regulation agencies, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, the legal system, and policy makers together with alternatives such as the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD), produced by the World Health Organization (WHO). The DSM is now in its fifth edition, DSM-5, published on May 18, 2013.

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      Re: They destroyed Murphys
      Posted on: 2016-05-02 22:49:47   By: Anonymous
       
      Bongs are bad for your lungs.

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      Re: They destroyed Murphys
      Posted on: 2016-05-03 15:24:34   By: Anonymous
       
      Dude get off the anti-cannabis thing, you're only fighting a losing battle, go have another drink.

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Gotta' educate one more idiot pothead....
Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:15:54   By: Anonymous
 
Since Prop 215 (The Compassionate Use Act) was enacted in 1996, California has devolved into de facto legalization. Over 50,000 cultivation sites grow marijuana under the guise of medicine, then illegally sell it to 60% of the United States market for recreational use. In the meantime, massive quantities of our precious water is being used for marijuana cultivation, resulting in destruction of our natural resources and ruining the quality of life in once fine communities.

Currently, a whopping 19.5% of the California budget is directed towards dealing with issues related to substance abuse. However, surprisingly only 1% of this 19.5% is spent on prevention. Most of it is used for shoveling up the damage and treating the wounded, horrible economic policy. Furthermore, out of the 129 Americans who die every day of drug overdose, almost all started their drug journey with marijuana, and 59% of people arrested (Sacramento) test positive for marijuana.

Marijuana "farmers" are greedy, destructive, selfish and delusional. They treat their "employees" like chattel, because it's easy to pay another pothead with weed....

Get them the f*#k out of Calaveras.

P.S.: Be aware that the pro-pot folks are posting their own violent and fake threats against their "community", so they can whine to the BOS and law enforcement that they are being persecuted. The last stop for the deluded is retreating into the refuge in false martyrdom....sort of slacker pothead jihad, but too baked to do anything but piss and moan.

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VOTE VOTE VOTE Calaveras- don't let potheads run the show!
Posted on: 2016-05-02 21:44:54   By: Anonymous
 
MEDICAL MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE. 15-0069 Bans all privately owned medical marijuana cultivation sites and dispensaries. Creates state-owned/operated dispensaries, and a single state-owned/operated site for medical marijuana cultivation, testing, and processing. Allows local governments to ban or restrict the number and location of state-owned dispensaries. Establishes packaging, lab testing, and potency standards for medical marijuana. Sets minimum age for medical marijuana use, at 21. Requires adoption of strict standards to govern physician medical marijuana recommendations for their patients. Specifies marijuana blood-content levels that establish driving under the influence. Retains current prohibition on recreational use of marijuana. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Unknown change in state and local revenues related to sales of medical marijuana depending on how the measure is implemented by the state. Increased state costs of millions to tens of millions of dollars annually to implement a program to educate K-12 students and their teachers and parents regarding marijuana use. (15-0069.)

This is a sensible measure that would end the Wild Wild West of letting the potheads run and restructure our county to fit their agenda.



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Marijuana is a harmful, addictive drug:
Posted on: 2016-05-02 23:03:21   By: Anonymous
 
Yup, not everybody is an addict. But pot is an addictive substance, just like tobacco and alcohol.

Cannabis Use Disorder:
Marijuana is the most-used drug after alcohol and tobacco in the United States. According to SAMHSA data:
In 2014, about 22.2 million people ages 12 and up reported using marijuana during the past month.
Also in 2014, there were 2.6 million people in that age range who had used marijuana for the first time within the past 12 months. People between the ages of 12 and 49 report first using the drug at an average age of 18.5.
In the past year, 4.2 million people ages 12 and up met criteria for a substance use disorder based on marijuana use.
Marijuana’s immediate effects include distorted perception, difficulty with thinking and problem solving, and loss of motor coordination. Long-term use of the drug can contribute to respiratory infection, impaired memory, and exposure to cancer-causing compounds. Heavy marijuana use in youth has also been linked to increased risk for developing mental illness and poorer cognitive functioning.
Some symptoms of cannabis use disorder include disruptions in functioning due to cannabis use, the development of tolerance, cravings for cannabis, and the development of withdrawal symptoms, such as the inability to sleep, restlessness, nervousness, anger, or depression within a week of ceasing heavy use.

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Hippocratic Oath: where's the weed part?!
Posted on: 2016-05-02 23:36:25   By: Anonymous
 
HIPPOCRATIC OATH, MODERN VERSION
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:


I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Hmmmm....this part is interesting:
"I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure."
So, if a physician knows that pot is addictive, is it really ok to prescribe it for frivolous reasons or to make a quick buck?

"Money"- Pink Floyd....
Money, get back
I'm all right, Jack, keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody good bullsh*t....




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Sunset Magazine, re: Murphys CA
Posted on: 2016-05-02 23:50:36   By: Anonymous
 
Vintage Murphys
This picture-perfect Gold Country town has gone from mines to fine wines

By Amy McConnell


You could say that the town of Murphys got its second start because of a swimming pool. More than 50 years ago, Barden Stevenot, then age 11, visited a ranch near the Calaveras County town. "My family took me out there and they had this old concrete pool," Stevenot recalls. "I had never seen a pool before. I sort of wished on it, and I ended up getting it."

That is, 22 years later, Stevenot ended up buying the entire ranch, pool and all. Then he did what any good Californian would do with 156 acres of fertile land: He planted vineyards.

Today, Murphys―between Yosemite and Lake Tahoe―is home to half a dozen wineries of note. Add to that a growing number of sophisticated but casual restaurants, the town's historical charm, and the spring scenery of the surrounding Sierra foothills, and you have every reason to visit this month.


Old roots for a young wine region

While Barden Stevenot is the pioneer of modern Murphys winemaking, the region has a grape-growing heritage that dates back to the Gold Rush. Murphys may bear an Irish name, but many gold-seekers from Genoa, Lucca, and Serbia settled here in the 1850s, '60s, and '70s, Stevenot says. "In the process they brought their winemaking and food to the area."

The biggest wine producer in the region is Ironstone Vineyards. The top tourist destination in all of Calaveras County, it draws up to 500,000 visitors per year, with landscaped gardens, manmade caves you can tour, a Gold Country museum containing the largest crystalline gold piece in the world, and a stamp mill where kids can learn mining techniques.

Ironstone hosts the annual Spring Symphony, a celebration of their Obsession wine―made from the slightly sweet Symphony varietal―timed to coincide with the blooming of thousands of daffodils. Concurrently, Murphys Irish Days brings a street fair to town.

In the wake of Ironstone's success, a handful of small wineries have opened. With the exception of Ironstone, which produces 300,000 cases per year, and Stevenot (30,000 cases per year), Murphys's other wineries operate on a miniature scale, producing anywhere from 3,000 to 12,000 cases per year―a drop in the bucket, comparatively speaking.

What's fun about the smaller wineries is that all of them specialize in different varietals, so you get to taste all kinds of wines. And most of them occupy historic buildings that give you a taste of Murphys's Gold Country heritage. "This is one of the few Mother Lode towns that didn't get remodeled in the 1950s and '60s, because it was just a side road," said Stevenot. "As a result, there's been a continuum of architecture."

That's no idle claim. Main Street is a textbook example of Gold Country architecture, with all the establishments tucked inside good-looking, historic buildings. Milliaire occupies an old gas station. Black Sheep Winery is in an old barn. The newest tasting room, Zucca Mountain, is underground, in a 150-square-foot grotto. "The only place I could find to open my tasting room was an old cellar," says owner Gary Zucca. "So that's what I did."

He had a vision and acted on it, just like Barden Stevenot, who bought 156 acres all because of a pool. True to its Wild West heritage, Murphys is the kind of town that inspires big dreams.

Yeah, Murphys....whatta' sh*t hole....those wineries have been a ruination, for sure....grow up, potheads....your pipe dreams of boutique/artisanal buds are just another way to convince yourselves you're not addicts. Mt. Ranch was such a cool place, once upon a time. Didn't take the addicts long to lay waste.

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    Re: Sunset Magazine, re: Murphys CA
    Posted on: 2016-05-02 23:54:34   By: Anonymous
     
    Yawn*.

    * See "yawn".

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      Re: yawn...see:
      Posted on: 2016-05-03 00:04:55   By: Anonymous
       
      ....your brain, a yawning chasm of obstinacy and carefully protected and chemically enhanced stupidity....

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        Re: yawn...see:
        Posted on: 2016-05-03 15:26:12   By: Anonymous
         
        Got anything a bit wittier?

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FACTS ABOUT MARIJUANA RELATED INCARCERATION
Posted on: 2016-05-03 00:02:30   By: Anonymous
 
****READ THE LAST SENTENCE****

Marijuana and Who’s in Prison

•A survey by the Bureau of Justice Statistics showed that 0.7% of all state inmates were behind bars for marijuana possession only (with many of them pleading down from more serious crimes).

•In total, one tenth of one percent (0.1 percent) of all state prisoners were marijuana-possession offenders with no prior sentences.

•Other independent research has shown that the risk of arrest for each “joint,” or marijuana cigarette, smoked is about 1 arrest for every 12,000 joints.

•There are very few people in state or federal prison for marijuana-related crimes. It is useful to look at all drug offenses for context. Among sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction in 2008, 18% were sentenced for drug offenses.

•For federal prisoners, who represent 13% of the total prison population, about half (51%) had a drug offense as the most serious offense in 2009.

•And federal data shows that the vast majority (99.8%) of federal prisoners sentenced for drug offenses were incarcerated for drug trafficking.

• Carnegie Mellon’s Jonathan Caulkins, formerly the co-director of Rand’s drug policy research center, found that more than 85% of people in prison for all drug-law violations were clearly involved in drug distribution, and that the records of most of the remaining prisoners had at least some suggestion of distribution involvement. Only about half a percent of the total prison population was there for marijuana possession, he found. He noted that this figure was consistent with other mainstream estimates but not with estimates from the Marijuana Policy Project (a legalization interest group), which, according to Caulkins, “naively … assumes that all inmates convicted of possession were not involved in trafficking.” Caulkins concluded “an implication of the new figure is that marijuana decriminalization would have almost no impact on prison populations.”

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FACTS FOR THE WEED VS. BOOZE DIMWITS:
Posted on: 2016-05-03 00:23:20   By: Anonymous
 
Under theorized complete marijuana legalization, more people, not fewer, will be ensnared in the criminal justice system. A fact most people do not know is that alcohol — not cocaine, heroin or marijuana — is responsible for 2.6 million arrests every year. That is 1 million more arrests than for all illegal drugs combined. The reason? Alcohol is used so much more commonly than illegal drugs. People are being arrested for violating liquor laws, driving while intoxicated and public drunkenness (the 2.6 million number doesn’t even include violent crimes that result from alcohol use). That isn’t to say that current drug policies aren’t also costly to the criminal justice system. They are. But that is precisely why we need smarter enforcement policies — not legalization, which would very likely compound the current costs.

So, wake the f*ck up, people!

Easy, legal access to extremely potent & addictive pot = rapidly increasing mass incarceration for cannibas abuse disorder-related crimes = gigantic, never-ending U.S. taxpayer burden.

Good times....

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    Re: FACTS FOR THE WEED VS. BOOZE DIMWITS:
    Posted on: 2016-05-03 00:37:59   By: Anonymous
     
    That's nice, thank you.

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      Doctors?????
      Posted on: 2016-05-03 06:09:12   By: Anonymous
        Edited By: thepinetree
      On: 2016-05-03 17:23:11
      Too Personal



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        Re: Doctors?????
        Posted on: 2016-05-03 07:04:16   By: Anonymous
         
        Timothy Leary wore nice suits

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        Re: Doctors?????
        Posted on: 2016-05-03 12:07:10   By: Anonymous
         
        I had chronic nausea due to stomach issues.after regular meds for nausea had icky side effects my doc gave me rx of marinol. A. It worked, cut my nausea so i could eat again.B Insurance paid for it, cheap.C. contrary to popular belief it did make me stoned. D. Its legal and does not harm environment. I did not like the stoned effects, i prefer reality, so went back on reg meds. The majority of these arguments are not about small, actual own use growers ( how many buds do u really need a year??)! This is about a new level of land grabs by high % if unsavory characters. And as far as i know vineyard owners dont have guards with guns protecting their actual ag crop.

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          Re: Doctors?????
          Posted on: 2016-05-03 14:37:16   By: Anonymous
           
          This is about greed, I am all for being able to make a living, but if anyone has sank their life savings into pot farming, I pray to god that they lose their ass..

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            Re: Doctors?????
            Posted on: 2016-05-03 15:27:51   By: Anonymous
             
            Pot is yummy.

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          Re: "I had chronic nausea...."
          Posted on: 2016-05-03 19:04:44   By: Anonymous
           
          Thank you so much for your sensible letter. You are EXACTLY correct in your explanation. I don't want Big Marijuana in Calaveras county. I don't care who grows a little in their back yard. I don't give a damn who gets high now and then for fun. I want our government to explore the useful chemicals in marijuana, with the aim of helping to fight and treat disease and pain. I'm sick of doctors prescribing smokable marijuana to addicts who aren't sick, so those folks in turn can give their money to the pot stores. I'm furious at the ridiculous term "medical marijuana"- THERE IS NO SUCH THING! What happened and is happening in Mt. Ranch is sickening. Oh, and by the way....I'm a lifelong liberal Democrat and veteran of the armed forces. This is not about politics for me- it's about community, addiction, crime and common sense.


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            Re: "I had chronic nausea...."
            Posted on: 2016-05-04 22:24:53   By: Anonymous
             
            22,000 peer reviewed studies have shown a clear medical benefit to cannabis.

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anonymous
Posted on: 2016-05-03 15:26:57   By: Anonymous
 
drugs are involved more than you think ask the # 4 superviser

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-05-03 20:30:11   By: Anonymous
 
somebody here is a real grumpy-pants. who are you to say who has the right to use cannabis? get outta here you un-american control freak. nobody wants you around. you only perpetuate the old lie. mind your own damn buisness and get a life you jealous nazi.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-05-03 20:36:21   By: Anonymous
 
Nasty

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-05-04 00:54:27   By: Anonymous
     
    Yes, very lower-common.

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Who is the actual AUTHOR of the Calaveras for Cannabis Control Initiative?
Posted on: 2016-05-03 20:41:37   By: Anonymous
 
The very name of the "Calaveras Cannabis Control Initiative" is utterly misleading. It does not promote "control", it promotes regulation of an industry that we don't want in our county. It is a green light for growers and dispensaries to insinuate themselves into our beautiful community, ostensibly by following the laws they themselves will create. Insane.

It is a case of the foxes guarding the henhouse. Why would we foolishly allow the harbingers of Big Marijuana to create their own guidelines for growing, distributing, and enlarging their industry in our county?!?! WTF, Board of Supes?! Why do the pot prescribers and the pot smokers get to make policy in our county?

THE CITIZENS OF CALAVERAS COUNTY HAVE REPEATEDLY AND OVERWHELMINGLY EXPRESSED THAT WE DO NOT WANT THE WEED INDUSTRY RUINING OUR COMMUNITY.

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    Re: Who is the actual AUTHOR of the Calaveras for Cannabis Control Initiative?
    Posted on: 2016-05-03 22:28:28   By: Anonymous
     
    You speak for all of the citizens? You are not my representative and many others who are fine, upstanding members of Calaveras County. You have a very large broom to make such a sweeping statement. It's the law,voted in by legal means. Speak for yourself but don't feel that you can represent all of Calaveras County. Now go have some legal wine and chill out.
    M'kay?

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      Re: "M'kay?"
      Posted on: 2016-05-04 01:11:19   By: Anonymous
       
      You answered nothing, assh*le. Stay off here if you can't find any facts to support your delusions of pot paradise...
      Who's the actual author of the initiative? Why is the pot industry being allowed to set their own standards and make their own laws? Why is a doctor who prescribes smokable marijuana to extremely ill patients allowed to set the parameters of our burgeoning pot industry? Why does a FORMER district supervisor have any say at all in this decision? A restaurateur? Why?

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        Re: "M'kay?"
        Posted on: 2016-05-04 19:43:02   By: Anonymous
         
        Don't worry about it. get a freakin hobby man! Or better yet, move somewhere else. Luckily you are a minority and greatly outnumbered. you belong in north korea, broham

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