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Posted by: thepinetree on 08/09/2022 10:34 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 08/09/2022 11:18 AM
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Our Nation is a Shared Collection of Ideals, Nothing More! The Federalist Papers Number Three by Publius. Introduction by John Hamilton

Arnold, CA...Federalist Three was written by John Jay and is "Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence" and is below our intro and is available in an audio format if you click the image below. In our sharply politically divided country it may be time for us all to look back and reaffirm that our country really is a collection of ideas and ideals. The Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness that we all at times take for granted was hard fought and narrowly won. In the end our allegiance is not to a King, Dictator or Strong Man but too each other. One thing the founding fathers all agreed on was that human nature is subject to weakness and they took into account human frailties. They devised a system that has at many times protected us from man's and woman's worst enemy which is the reflection that stares back at us all from the mirror.


Click Above to Listen to Federalist Paper Number Three by John Jay



After the delegates signed the drafted Constitution in Philadelphia on September 16, 1787, it would only take effect after approval by ratifying conventions in nine of 13 states. The Federalist Papers were a series of eighty-five essays urging the citizens of New York to ratify the new United States Constitution. Written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay, the essays originally appeared anonymously in New York newspapers in 1787 and 1788 under the pen name "Publius." The Federalist Papers are one of the most important sources for interpreting and understanding the original intent of the Constitution and by extension our American form of government.

As we post the Federalist Papers it is important to remember that we are not all supposed to agree. In a functional republic we get a better government and better decisions if decenting voices have input.

Our hope is that even if we can only spend a few minutes each day to review our history our hope is that it will reawaken in each of us the deep wonder of the country we call home.

We think is important in our Social Media driven world where people can get demonized, marginalized & discarded in an instant is that even 246 years ago our founding fathers knew that ideas had to be removed from personality to be accepted.

Alexander Hamilton was such a polarizing figure that he knew instinctively that if his name was known as one of the authors a large segment of the population would disregard whatever he said.

All of us at times do the very same thing especially in our current age. We label everything, Left Wing, Right Wing, Conservative, Progressive, Socialist, Libertarian & more. So check your biases at the door and take a trip down history lane. You may very well emerge differently on the other side. Federalist Paper Number Three is below.

Concerning Dangers From Foreign Force and Influence For the Independent Journal.
JAY

To the People of the State of New York:

IT IS not a new observation that the people of any country (if, like the Americans, intelligent and wellinformed) seldom adopt and steadily persevere for many years in an erroneous opinion respecting their interests. That consideration naturally tends to create great respect for the high opinion which the people of America have so long and uniformly entertained of the importance of their continuing firmly united under one federal government, vested with sufficient powers for all general and national purposes.

The more attentively I consider and investigate the reasons which appear to have given birth to this opinion, the more I become convinced that they are cogent and conclusive.

Among the many objects to which a wise and free people find it necessary to direct their attention, that of providing for their SAFETY seems to be the first. The SAFETY of the people doubtless has relation to a great variety of circumstances and considerations, and consequently affords great latitude to those who wish to define it precisely and comprehensively.

At present I mean only to consider it as it respects security for the preservation of peace and tranquillity, as well as against dangers from FOREIGN ARMS AND INFLUENCE, as from dangers of the LIKE KIND arising from domestic causes. As the former of these comes first in order, it is proper it should be the first discussed. Let us therefore proceed to examine whether the people are not right in their opinion that a cordial Union, under an efficient national government, affords them the best security that can be devised against HOSTILITIES from abroad.

The number of wars which have happened or will happen in the world will always be found to be in proportion to the number and weight of the causes, whether REAL or PRETENDED, which PROVOKE or INVITE them. If this remark be just, it becomes useful to inquire whether so many JUST causes of war are likely to be given by UNITED AMERICA as by DISUNITED America; for if it should turn out that United America will probably give the fewest, then it will follow that in this respect the Union tends most to preserve the people in a state of peace with other nations.

The JUST causes of war, for the most part, arise either from violation of treaties or from direct violence. America has already formed treaties with no less than six foreign nations (*), and all of them, except Prussia, are maritime, and therefore able to annoy and injure us. She has also extensive commerce with Portugal, Spain, and Britain, and, with respect to the two latter, has, in addition, the circumstance of neighborhood to attend to.

It is of high importance to the peace of America that she observe the laws of nations towards all these powers, and to me it appears evident that this will be more perfectly and punctually done by one national government than it could be either by thirteen separate States or by three or four distinct confederacies.

Because when once an efficient national government is established, the best men in the country will not only consent to serve, but also will generally be appointed to manage it; for, although town or country, or other contracted influence, may place men in State assemblies, or senates, or courts of justice, or executive departments, yet more general and extensive reputation for talents and other qualifications will be necessary to recommend men to offices under the national government,--especially as it will have the widest field for choice, and never experience that want of proper persons which is not uncommon in some of the States. Hence, it will result that the administration, the political counsels, and the judicial decisions of the national government will be more wise, systematical, and judicious than those of individual States, and consequently more satisfactory with respect to other nations, as well as more SAFE with respect to us.

Because, under the national government, treaties and articles of treaties, as well as the laws of nations, will always be expounded in one sense and executed in the same manner,--whereas, adjudications on the same points and questions, in thirteen States, or in three or four confederacies, will not always accord or be consistent; and that, as well from the variety of independent courts and judges appointed by different and independent governments, as from the different local laws and interests which may affect and influence them. The wisdom of the convention, in committing such questions to the jurisdiction and judgment of courts appointed by and responsible only to one national government, cannot be too much commended.

Because the prospect of present loss or advantage may often tempt the governing party in one or two States to swerve from good faith and justice; but those temptations, not reaching the other States, and consequently having little or no influence on the national government, the temptation will be fruitless, and good faith and justice be preserved. The case of the treaty of peace with Britain adds great weight to this reasoning.

Because, even if the governing party in a State should be disposed to resist such temptations, yet as such temptations may, and commonly do, result from circumstances peculiar to the State, and may affect a great number of the inhabitants, the governing party may not always be able, if willing, to prevent the injustice meditated, or to punish the aggressors. But the national government, not being affected by those local circumstances, will neither be induced to commit the wrong themselves, nor want power or inclination to prevent or punish its commission by others.

So far, therefore, as either designed or accidental violations of treaties and the laws of nations afford JUST causes of war, they are less to be apprehended under one general government than under several lesser ones, and in that respect the former most favors the SAFETY of the people.

As to those just causes of war which proceed from direct and unlawful violence, it appears equally clear to me that one good national government affords vastly more security against dangers of that sort than can be derived from any other quarter.

Because such violences are more frequently caused by the passions and interests of a part than of the whole; of one or two States than of the Union. Not a single Indian war has yet been occasioned by aggressions of the present federal government, feeble as it is; but there are several instances of Indian hostilities having been provoked by the improper conduct of individual States, who, either unable or unwilling to restrain or punish offenses, have given occasion to the slaughter of many innocent inhabitants.

The neighborhood of Spanish and British territories, bordering on some States and not on others, naturally confines the causes of quarrel more immediately to the borderers. The bordering States, if any, will be those who, under the impulse of sudden irritation, and a quick sense of apparent interest or injury, will be most likely, by direct violence, to excite war with these nations; and nothing can so effectually obviate that danger as a national government, whose wisdom and prudence will not be diminished by the passions which actuate the parties immediately interested.

But not only fewer just causes of war will be given by the national government, but it will also be more in their power to accommodate and settle them amicably. They will be more temperate and cool, and in that respect, as well as in others, will be more in capacity to act advisedly than the offending State. The pride of states, as well as of men, naturally disposes them to justify all their actions, and opposes their acknowledging, correcting, or repairing their errors and offenses. The national government, in such cases, will not be affected by this pride, but will proceed with moderation and candor to consider and decide on the means most proper to extricate them from the difficulties which threaten them.

Besides, it is well known that acknowledgments, explanations, and compensations are often accepted as satisfactory from a strong united nation, which would be rejected as unsatisfactory if offered by a State or confederacy of little consideration or power.

In the year 1685, the state of Genoa having offended Louis XIV., endeavored to appease him. He demanded that they should send their Doge, or chief magistrate, accompanied by four of their senators, to FRANCE, to ask his pardon and receive his terms. They were obliged to submit to it for the sake of peace. Would he on any occasion either have demanded or have received the like humiliation from Spain, or Britain, or any other POWERFUL nation?


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No Subject
Posted on: 2022-08-09 10:54:52   By: Anonymous
 
A great historical document. But I maintain that something written in 1788 might not fully reflect the realities of our modern America.

Let's not get too carried away in pretending the answer to our challenges are in a book that was written when black men and all women were prohibited from voting, and traveling from NY to the West Coast took 3 months and killed 40% of people who attempted it.

I checked the index for 'climate change' and didn't see anything, for example.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:21:25   By: Anonymous
     
    Human nature never changes. Our founding documents are a valid today as the day they were written. How about each person do their best to limit their negative impact on our planet?

    Those who scream loudest on climate are invariably the ones doing the most damage.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:24:54   By: Anonymous
       
      "Those who scream loudest on climate are invariably the ones doing the most damage."

      How on earth do you arrive there? Can you cite and example? How is Greta's footprint (for example) worse than yours?


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        Re:
        Posted on: 2022-08-09 13:01:41   By: Anonymous
         
        John Kerry, Bill Gates & add infinitum...

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:25:22   By: Anonymous
       
      100% bull*bleep*. Prove it or shut up.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2022-08-09 13:03:41   By: Anonymous
         
        Anyone who flies and screams green. If the really cared as much as they say they do they would have ridden a bike

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          Posted on: 2022-08-09 14:53:38   By: Anonymous
           
          Sorta lame response. But that's what I expected. You haven't thought it through. "FLYING" - a single seat - isn't as big a sin as you think it might be. Chances are you couldn't even tell me how many tonnes of C02 of emission a flight from Sac to LHR contributes, compared to a 2014 F150.


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            Re:
            Posted on: 2022-08-09 20:41:34   By: Anonymous
             
            Your piper cub is fine. Just don't fly to Italy and back on your Gulfstream for the weekend and say I can't put a gas stove in my kitchen

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2022-08-10 09:43:34   By: Anonymous
       
      Yes, I'd like to hear more about how you arrived at your last statement as well. Strikes me that it's primarily the GOP that own the big oil companies and have their congressmen and women lined up to support their interests.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2022-08-10 09:46:03   By: Anonymous
     
    The details might change (i.e., what a gun can be today) but not human nature. The most important takeaway IMHO is that we are a nation of shared ideals and our diversity made us great. A lot of folks seem to have forgotten that, especially in the time of Trump.

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Move Forward?
Posted on: 2022-08-09 10:58:06   By: Anonymous
 
The SCOTUS is set to rule to regression, not progression.
The recent rulings show this.
The founding fathers were progressives, not conservatives (loyalists) who wanted to stay a colony of England.

The Republicans are ruling against liberties such as voting for all legal voters (anti voting schemes, to deny minorities the right to vote), against personal choice (abortion) , labor rights, and many more rulings to come which they have signaled they are set to rule in cases before them.

Republicans-backwards.
Democrats- progress, moving forward.

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    Re: Move Forward?
    Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:04:07   By: Anonymous
     
    Correct

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    Re: Move Forward?
    Posted on: 2022-08-09 14:53:56   By: Anonymous
     
    So Republicans are really about to go into the midterms with this messaging:

    - Defund the FBI
    - Toxin-exposed veterans don’t deserve healthcare
    - End Social Security and Medicare
    - 10-year-olds must be forced to give birth to their rapists’ baby
    - Keep Insulin prices high

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      Re: Move Forward?
      Posted on: 2022-08-09 15:55:12   By: Anonymous
       
      Yes. Those are all platforms the Republicans support.

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        Re: Move Forward?
        Posted on: 2022-08-09 20:42:49   By: Anonymous
         
        Well at least they still believe in life. Dems are just a death cult

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      Re: Move Forward?...Republican platforms
      Posted on: 2022-08-10 07:53:50   By: Anonymous
       
      The dotards eat that stuff up.
      Because FauxNews tells them to.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:17:05   By: Anonymous
 
“No former President of the United States has ever been subject to a raid of their personal residence in American history.”
F*ck that skewed sh*t. Consider how many things you could say about Trump that start with the words: "No former President of the United States has ever -

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No Subject
Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:17:22   By: Anonymous
 
It’s not getting enough attention that a supposed billionaire former President of the United States, who stole classified documents and was trying to hide them from the Department of Justice, had a “hotel style safe” that sells for $153 and is designed to be opened by the manager

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:29:22   By: Anonymous
     
    Any sign of the pee tape ?

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:30:41   By: Anonymous
       
      Just tell us now . What else did trump steal from the White House ?

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:40:37   By: Anonymous
         
        You mom's virginity

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2022-08-09 11:58:54   By: Anonymous
           
          Hillary’s email , maybe hunters lap top .

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2022-08-09 21:07:19   By: Anonymous
             
            ^Get over it loser^

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2022-08-09 20:45:44   By: Anonymous
     
    You do realize that the president has the right unilaterally declassify almost anything. So even as a legal basis he couldn't even have classified documents. Total BS premise

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No Subject
Posted on: 2022-08-09 13:22:14   By: Anonymous
 
If this had been done to HILLARY or Barry, the Donkey Pox, Libtard’s would be out burning and pillaging!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2022-08-09 13:27:02   By: Anonymous
     
    Frankly , I need you to run these fifteen boxes out to my waiting helicopter .

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2022-08-09 14:54:48   By: Anonymous
     
    But neither Hillary nor 'Barry' committed these crimes.

    See the difference?


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      Re:
      Posted on: 2022-08-09 15:00:16   By: Anonymous
       
      Hey, Hey, Hey... neither of them are 'accused' of committing these crimes. Trump has not been charged or entered a plea yet.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2022-08-09 15:55:35   By: Anonymous
         
        He should enter a guilty plea. .

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2022-08-09 15:57:59   By: Anonymous
           
          He should be placed at pelican bay super max .

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2022-08-09 21:09:00   By: Anonymous
             
            He should be assasinated.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2022-08-09 16:06:42   By: Anonymous
         
        ^That's probably coming soon. Can't imagine this raid taking place without AG Garland being 99% sure he had a slam dunk case even without the search.
        Garland just threw a high inside fast ball at Trump's head. This means Garland is not going to be shy at all about charging Trump with any criminal acts Garland believes Trump committed. That includes everything related to January 6th.
        Trump is screwed... Rightfully so...
        Only thing Trump can do to survive this is declare his presidential candidacy immediately, and fight all charges against him as politically motivated.


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          Re:
          Posted on: 2022-08-09 21:10:54   By: Anonymous
           
          Yep..............and.................FUK TRUMP.........and all ignorant Calatrumplicans. But send him your money.
          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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