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Posted by: thepinetree on 07/30/2021 03:52 PM Updated by: thepinetree on 07/30/2021 03:52 PM
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Sorry, Forest Service: Fire is NOT Our Friend ~Congressman Tom McClintock

Washington, DC...It is dangerous nonsense to “monitor” incipient fires in today’s forest tinderbox, even if they seem to pose no immediate danger. No person in his right mind would “monitor” a rattlesnake curled up in his bedroom because it isn’t doing much of anything. He would kill it before it does. In our national forests, only the Forest Service can prevent small blazes from becoming forest fires. It’s time they did.






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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-07-30 15:54:35   By: Anonymous
 
I don't like everything you say Tom. But this time you are right!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-30 16:20:34   By: Anonymous
     
    Tom, I know asking you to be honest is like talking to that rattlesnake, but did you vote for USFS budget increases when given the opportunity? Or are you still the doulbledealing SOB we're all too familiar with? You do know, it does take money to keep boots on the ground?

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-30 17:16:35   By: Anonymous
     
    You tell’em Tom!! Most politicians run from the truth. Most already know the meaning of this.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-07-30 21:16:56   By: Anonymous
       
      What your Tom is actually doing is speaking out of both sides of his face. He has repeatedly voted against funding federal firefighting saying the boots on the ground are not "skilled labor."

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        Re: AOL Login
        Posted on: 2021-07-31 03:04:00   By: Anonymous
         
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        Re:
        Posted on: 2021-08-01 10:19:05   By: Anonymous
         
        Snakes are our friends. Today's Democrats are not.

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    Re: Fire is not our friend, and neither are the Left
    Posted on: 2021-07-31 09:53:56   By: Anonymous
     

    Look at these facts, very disturbing, but makes perfect sense when you look at our President, and his VP and how she started her career. Add to the fact that more of the left politicians have committed crimes in office by a large percentage then the right, and the hypocrisy of, well our Governor for example. Or Jerry Nadler and Nancy Pelosi who both have already broken the mask rule that Nazi Pelosi just started, but she wanted her picture taken.
    Just look at the top 20 crime cities, and the party that runs them. The party of failure of the 73 Percentile. Yes liberal, democrat, Socialist lying, corrupt felons, violent criminals, pedophiles, rapist, spousal abusers, elderly abusers, rapist, you know, the core of the cult members of the left.
    Here is the Neighborhood Scout ranking of the most crime-ridden cities and their mayors.

    1. Detroit
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 20.0

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 50

    Mayor: Michael Edward Duggan, Democrat

    2. Memphis, Tennessee
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.5

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 51

    Mayor: Jim Strickland, Democrat

    3. Birmingham, Alabama
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.3

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 52

    Mayor: Randall Woodfin, Democrat

    4. Baltimore
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 18.5

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 54

    Mayor: Jack Young, Democrat

    5. Flint, Michigan
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 18.3

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 55

    Mayor: Sheldon Neely, Democrat

    6. St. Louis
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 18.2

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 55

    Mayor: Lyda Krewson, Democrat

    7. Danville, Illinois
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 18.0

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 55

    Mayor: Ricky Williams Jr. (nonpartisan election)

    8. Saginaw, Michigan
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.7

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 60

    Mayor: Floyd Kloc (nonpartisan election)

    9. Wilmington, Delaware
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.3

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 61

    Mayor: Mike Purzycki, Democrat

    10. Camden, New Jersey
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.2

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 62

    Mayor: Francisco Moran, Democrat

    11. Pine Bluff, Arkansas
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.0

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 62

    Mayor: Shirley Washington, Democrat

    12. Kansas City, Missouri
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 15.9

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 63

    Mayor: Quinton Lucas, Democrat

    13. San Bernardino, California
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 15.3

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 65

    Mayor: John Valdivia, Democrat

    14. Alexandria, Louisiana
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.6

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 68

    Mayor: Jeffrey Hall, Democrat

    15. Little Rock, Arkansas
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.6

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 68

    Mayor: Frank Scott Jr., Democrat

    16. Cleveland
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.5

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 69

    Mayor: Frank Jackson, Democrat

    17. Milwaukee
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.3

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 70

    Mayor: Tom Barrett, Democrat

    18. Stockton, California
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.2

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 70

    Mayor: Michael Tubbs, Democrat

    19. Monroe, Louisiana
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.1

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 71

    Mayor: James Earl Mayo, Democrat

    20. Chester, Pennsylvania
    Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.0

    Odds of being a victim: 1 in 71

    Mayor: Thaddeus Kirkland, Democrat

    These are the people who Hate America.
    These are the people who Hate our LEO
    These are the people who want to Defund The Police
    These are the people who Want Socialism
    These are the people who are in Gangs
    These are the people who want convicted Felons to vote even when incarcerated.
    These are the people who are overwhelmingly populate our Prisons
    These are the people who voted for Biden.
    These are the people who support BLM Burning, Looting, Mayham
    These are the people Destroying Our Nation

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      Re: Fire is not our friend, and neither are the Left
      Posted on: 2021-07-31 09:57:31   By: Anonymous
       
      PS: The above data was collected in 2020

      Damn, the left are a bunch of criminals, aren't they!

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      Re: Fire is not our friend, and neither are the Left
      Posted on: 2021-07-31 10:23:30   By: Anonymous
       
      This is some racist and seditious BS

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        Re: Fire is not our friend, and neither are the Left
        Posted on: 2021-07-31 11:00:36   By: Anonymous
         
        Why is the simple honest truth always called racist? Those that always scream racist are just seeking to hide the truth about themselves.

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          Re: Fire is not our friend, and neither are the Left
          Posted on: 2021-08-01 06:29:55   By: Anonymous
           
          He calls it racist because he has no defense in the truth, and tries to deflect the conversation. The left always does that, just like the rioting looting and burning. Why get a job and work to pay for things when you can get enough people and ransack a store getting it for free. Remember to steal things under $1000 and you won't get arrested. That's a law by Dems to keep their voters out of prison.

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          Re: Fire is not our friend, and neither are the Left
          Posted on: 2021-08-01 06:36:08   By: Anonymous
           
          He calls it racist because he has no defense in the truth, and tries to deflect the conversation. The left always does that, just like the rioting looting and burning. Why get a job and work to pay for things when you can get enough people and ransack a store getting it for free. Remember to steal things under $1000 and you won't get arrested. That's a law by Dems to keep their voters out of prison.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-07-30 15:55:08   By: Anonymous
 
Wrong Tom. We need more prescribed burning, lots more!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-30 16:12:14   By: Anonymous
     
    The truth. You followers of the new Democratic Party would understand.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-30 16:14:12   By: Anonymous
     
    Prescribed fire is a pipedream.too late. Without thinning forests to pre history levels, rx fire is just a cute old school ecological management technique. Wild fire will not be stopped by that alone. Prescribed fire is risky, expensive, time limited. The forests need major thinning now and homeowners must do their home clearance and hardening.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-07-30 17:18:47   By: Anonymous
       
      Yes, we agree. Lots of thinning and then maintained rx burns

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2021-07-30 17:39:51   By: Anonymous
         
        To the Original post .

        Rx burns combined with shaded fire breaks works well . It’s not expensive or risky. It needs to become a bigger part of our regime.
        Clearcuts suck because they are a 20 acre stand of same aged tees. This is not how Nature operates . Go look at a stand of second generation (true old growth in Calaveras is hard to find ) and youll get a picture of what our forests historically looked like . Huge stands of fore resilient 200’ trees with an open undergrowth that would burn and regenerate..
        Also where’s the cogen plant ? Calaveras county is the perfect spot , highway 4 should have one, highway 26 should have one. Easily incentivizes cleaning up burned trees ( like in the Butte scar ) and small
        Scale logging /clearing projects.



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          Re:
          Posted on: 2021-07-30 17:43:58   By: Anonymous
           
          And.. McClintock just took the softest stance he could on low hanging fruit. Obviously this fire should have been extinguished at a couple acres. It wasn’t .

          Finger pointing and blaming isn’t going to do much good, on. Positive note, markleeville the town was saved!

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-07-30 21:19:04   By: Anonymous
             
            Let's not forget Tom has vetoed increased federal firefighting funding in recent years. But now that we have a disaster - well, his great skill is sniffing out which way the wind has turned. Those of us from firefighter families recognize the hypocrisy.

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2021-07-31 11:28:44   By: Anonymous
               
              The overgrowth and debris is too great in California from mismanagement of the forests both public and private lands. The firefight need to come from the air with the massive super tankers putting out these out of control fires. The boots on the ground need to be lumberjacks cutting and clearing.

              How can you even want to work for these fire agencies and think you are doing the right thing and be proud of yourself? Firefighting was a respected job, not so much anymore because it refuses to change to stronger better ways now that the situation of fuels is out of control.

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                Re:
                Posted on: 2021-07-31 14:09:38   By: Anonymous
                 
                Lumberjacks ?

                Those days are gone, they use processors to strip and stack

                absolutely decimate our steams and high country creeks. And You will never see what it looks like , why ?

                SPI locks the gate,
                closes down all Local mills so you have to drive to Sonora or Lincoln to drop.
                You can’t buy any of our local lumber in stores.
                OSB prices are sky high
                Pulls water out of the stream to wet the roads ( all the sediment clogs the steams in the winter when it washes off. )

                Whose the largest landowner in Calaveras County?

                There used to be local
                Mills and a thriving timber industry. Now it’s resource extraction with a dog whistle.

                Some people
                Love the image of sturdy lumberjacks cutting trees But the reality is industrialization. Out of state contractors and aging workforce of local
                Loggers and all money flowing up to SPI.

                Say how did SPI get all that land in the first place ?



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                  Re:
                  Posted on: 2021-07-31 21:37:19   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Workforce can come from areas outside of California that still know how to log. As with anything some old ways are time tested, some newer ways are better. It can be done there just has to be the will to want to save the state and not see it completely burnt and destroyed.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2021-07-30 20:58:02   By: Anonymous
           
          This!!! Well said! 👆👆👆👏👏👏👏👏

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-07-31 09:54:25   By: Anonymous
             
            Tom is a total “dick” !!!!!

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2021-07-31 11:19:37   By: Anonymous
           
          We have enough pollution already blowing in from the cities in up against the Sierras and settling in the Foothills. Those massive burners just make it worse and shorten all our lives. Forest products are something that is needed and has value, it is just stupid to burn them and make communities more unhealthy.

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-07-31 12:47:56   By: Anonymous
             
            The forest evolved with fire. It is a fire-adapted ecosystem. It NEEDS fire.


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            Re:
            Posted on: 2021-07-31 15:29:27   By: Anonymous
             
            1.“Forest products are needed and have value”
            2.“Pollution blows in from the Central Valley”



            1.So why are their 0 mills in Calaveras County?
            What do you do with all the dead trees from fires ?

            They have about 1-2 years before they are worthless. Have you been to the Butte fire scar? It’s a tinderbox of dead trees that were never cleared.

            Why can’t I buy “forest products” that were cut and milled locally and support small scale independent business.

            2. You may in fact live in the Central Valley, pollution definitely does not “blow in” if you actually live in the foothills .. valley springs / copperpolis is east Stockton.







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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-30 16:14:12   By: Anonymous
     
    Prescribed fire is a pipedream.too late. Without thinning forests to pre history levels, rx fire is just a cute old school ecological management technique. Wild fire will not be stopped by that alone. Prescribed fire is risky, expensive, time limited. The forests need major thinning now and homeowners must do their home clearance and hardening.

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      Who should pay
      Posted on: 2021-07-30 17:10:42   By: Anonymous
       
      Send the cost of fighting these fires to the Sierra Club .

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        Re: Who should pay
        Posted on: 2021-07-31 05:17:24   By: Anonymous
         
        Or Donald Trump. If Donald would have gotten all the forests raked while he was president for four years these fires would not be happening. Why didn't Donald make our forests great again?

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          Re: Who should pay
          Posted on: 2021-07-31 09:57:51   By: Anonymous
           
          Don & Tom are two “F—king” morons. Pull your head out of his “Ass” !

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-31 11:03:58   By: Anonymous
     
    Fighting fire with fire is not the answer. It just causes more pollution and destruction let alone decimating what is left of the wildlife. Immediate thinning and debris clean up is.

    [Reply ]

      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-07-31 12:48:57   By: Anonymous
       
      Ok, but how do you clean up that debris? Where does it go?

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HYPOCRITICAL!!!
Posted on: 2021-07-30 18:53:18   By: Anonymous
 
Hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He voted NO for more fire resources in California. Liar.

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    Re: HYPOCRITICAL!!!
    Posted on: 2021-07-30 20:59:12   By: Anonymous
     
    Why is this dips-it still in office? He doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Vote him OUT!!

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      Re: HYPOCRITICAL!!!
      Posted on: 2021-07-30 21:17:26   By: Anonymous
       
      So , a couple of things. One is the USFS, they have been mismanaging the forest for years. They eliminated the TSI crews many moons ago and they have been fighting fires as if it was 1920. Second the state, they have also totally mismanaged the forest. The state also changed the fire delivery system that worked to one that doesn’t. That change was done for political pay back to unions! If you want to talk about prescribed burns, look at the great job that was done by Calfire and state parks at the Big Trees Park. Total incompetence!

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-07-30 21:15:31   By: Anonymous
 
Great metaphor, Tom, but if that is how you truly feel perhaps you should not have blocked funding for federal firefighting in the past. Do you really think people can not research this in the age of internet?

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-07-30 21:21:48   By: Anonymous
 
Some of you will dismiss without listening but good to see the televised conference today between President Biden and western governors discussing what is working and where things need to change, especially in light of climate change.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-30 21:31:33   By: Anonymous
     
    Ha ha ha, climate change, ha ha ha, right!

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-07-30 21:55:12   By: Anonymous
       
      At least someone is talking about the massive incompetence of the USFS! Still would love to hear from the person that made the decision to let these lighting strikes go.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2021-07-31 00:59:55   By: Anonymous
 
...🤡 If The State Capital Was Hit With Lightning 🤡 And Caught On Fire ? 🥴 Would You Call It An Act Of Nature ? And Let It Burn ?...Duh !...Dumb💩💩’s...

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2021-07-31 05:20:01   By: Anonymous
     
    That's a hard question to answer.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2021-07-31 07:06:06   By: Anonymous
       
      Bring back $119. fire fee (tax) and you all will be crying...

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2021-07-31 07:38:02   By: Anonymous
         
        We need to start with the main problem before any other solutions and that problem is the environmentalists have become to powerful, it's a great group but like all good ones they're never satisfied and wackos get a hold of it and run

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2021-07-31 10:28:01   By: Anonymous
           
          Why would anybody believe someone who is a republican . Their credibility is a zero . Thanks Ted

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          Turf Wars
          Posted on: 2021-07-31 10:28:31   By: Anonymous
           
          We saw this crap with the Old Gulch fire.
          CalFire was directing the Fire away from properties.
          When the fire burned into FS land, they slowed the fight, it ran and burned 2 homes in Hathaway Pines, and many homes on a circle drive along the ridge burned.The FS station on hwy 4 almost burned.
          The Grand Jury report cited turf wars between the FS and CalFire. The loss of the Fricot mansion was pure idiocy, the trees along the canyon should of been dropped into the canyon.

          Any fires especially when we have lightening strike fires must be dealt with immediately, or you get fires such as the Tamarack fire. The drought conditions need to be realized in real time, and old policies changed. If the FS can't send a strike team to smoldering lightening fires, then allow CalFire or local fire fighters to take care of it.
          Enough of the turf wars.

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            Re: Turf Wars. Dotards keep McClintock in Congress
            Posted on: 2021-07-31 10:41:09   By: Anonymous
             
            Tom sucks Cox.

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              Re: Turf Wars. Dotards keep McClintock in Congress
              Posted on: 2021-07-31 10:57:22   By: Anonymous
               
              Good analogy regarding the Gluch Fire. Part of the clash between the two agencies is a basic philosophical difference when it comes to fighting fires. However as a result of politics Calfire has taken on some of the USFS way of operating. So sad.

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            Re: Turf Wars
            Posted on: 2021-07-31 11:13:26   By: Anonymous
             
            Thank you for speaking out. What is it with all these agencies intentionally forgetting the mistakes of the past that we should learn from?

            We who have experienced it, and have lived here know these people in control have absolutely no knowledge as to best practices for our area.

            Keep voicing the lived knowledge to the imbeciles.

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              Amnesia
              Posted on: 2021-07-31 13:04:16   By: Anonymous
               
              > Thank you for speaking out. What is it with all these agencies intentionally forgetting the mistakes of the past that we should learn from? <

              The problem is amnesia on the public's part, and agencies still using the old methodologies, when it all has changed.
              Climate change is here, and is getting more acute. The State and FS was slow to declare a drought emergency despite the weather service reporting the 3rd worst drought since records were kept.

              Politically, the public has amnesia forgetting how SS, medicare is being attacked by the conservatives who since Roosevelt started SS, crying sociali
              All our society enjoys the benefits of socialism.
              Bezos said he does use the commons and what it has done for his business, yet he doesn't want to pay taxes for anything that he used we pay for- the roads, fire dept, police, hospitals, military, NASA NOAA schools, and much more all examples of socialism.

              The Conservatives wish to privatize it all.
              An example of privatization is our for profit health care ins cos.
              Healthcare before was not for profit. Care was affordable. Then Nixon in 1973 started HMOs, and the parasites who deny people necessary lifesaving care started their insane profiteering off our poor heath.

              This is an example of the amnesia of the public, and the ability of the Conservatives and some progressive to sell a bad idea to the voters. Much more now our representatives do not represent us, but their large campaign donors and lobbyists. There are near 100 lobbyists for each of our representatives House and Senate.
              A few deny these lobbyists access, but the majority do allow access.
              The voters have much less access.
              Conservatives stopped having town halls when they go on breaks, they used to have town halls, no more, as too many confrontations with angry constituents was happening, and the embarrassing votes of their representatives were shown, votes that were not in the best interest of their voters.

              Amnesia


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                No Subject
                Posted on: 2021-07-31 19:09:16   By: Anonymous
                 
                Florida , 21,600 COVID cases today . That is the highest number for the entire pandemic . Epicenter of the United States covid cases . And still to stupid to put on a mask and get vaccinated !!!

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                  Re:
                  Posted on: 2021-07-31 23:34:35   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Very helpful information, it will prove valuable regarding fires in California! NOT!

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