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Posted by: thepinetree on 03/06/2008 07:20 AM
Updated by: Kim_Hamilton on 03/06/2008 08:54 AM
Expires: 01/01/2013 12:00 AM
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Thanks for the Comments!!! Our Recent Walmart or Big Box Poll Was a Split Decision and one of Our Busiest Ever!
Angels Camp, CA...We would like to thank the all of you who voted and commented in our recent "What do you think of Walmart Approaching Angels Camp?" poll! There were some great and well reasoned comments on both sides of the issue. With the county's coffers a bit lean at the moment we will probably see an increasing amount discussion on the affect of "Sales Tax Leakage" on our local economy. It seems everyone agrees we need a more diverse local economy the rub is just how to get there without hurting what a special place Calaveras County is. We have enclosed the poll results to ensure some of the great comments don't get lost. Thanks Again!!!
Poll Results: How do you feel about Wal-Mart Approaching Angels Camp?
It is about time! 46.8 % (104)
I think it is a bad idea! 45.0 % (100)
Do not care 5.4 % (12)
None of the above 2.7 % (6)
Total Votes: 222
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Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-02-19 06:59:36 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.4.6
I would like to know why "it is a bad idea".
Calaveras County needs a source of income. More homes and golf courses are not the answer. I'm tired of spending my money in Toulmne County and in the valley for every day items. It doesn't have to be Wal-Mart; Target, Mervyns or Kohl's would be acceptable.
Let's get a good source of income for our infrastructure.
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-02-20 17:06:56 By: Anonymous
Location: 76.233.153.115
I would definitely vote for a Target, but never a Wal Mart!
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-02-20 18:34:44 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.142.253
I too would like to see A Target please not a WALMART!!!
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-02-25 17:02:39 By: Anonymous
Location: 75.30.224.135
yes ,walmart, target, whatever ! We need the jobs.
I am tired of having to go to the valley for everything.
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-02-26 09:47:13 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
which would be a better choice?
1. Walmart -- low wages, throwaway merchandise, does not build a career base, doesn't promote other businesses except for fast food -- which doesn't promote a healthy lifestyle
2. Small business and enterprises - brings families in, builds a solid purchasing and merchandise base, lots of revenue from business and homeowners, supports infrastructure improvement like wi-fi, roads, public safety
Many counties have already reached the conclusion that choice #2 is healthier for their local economies and citizens. Which do you prefer?
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-02-28 14:47:31 By: Anonymous
Location: 137.164.246.3
I think we need something that is located closer to home.
I think you are probably one of those people that make more money then some. I think that bringing in a Wal-Mart, Target Kohls or whatever would be a great idea. I personally cant afford to drive to the Valley and or Sonora all the time when i need something. I think that people like myself that dont make tons of money and live pay check to pay check while busting my butt all week would like to have something located more centrally. Just my opinion tho. Not everyone has tons of money!!!
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-03-03 14:05:52 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
Having something local doesn't mean it will be cheaper. Remember, we are a rural county without a major highway like 50 or 99. This means it costs more money to truck in supplies. That transportation cost will be passed on to us, the customers or else the company will not be profitable! Makes you wonder why any big box wants to come here!!
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-03-03 14:06:53 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
With the right incentives, big boxes will go anywhere. But who pays for these incentives? I hope it isn't us.
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-02-29 09:43:07 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.142.9
All of those nice "family businesses", locally owned ideas have been available to people around here for years!!! How come we all still have to go to the valley or Sonora to get a pair of underwear?? The shops that a going to be in the "New Copper" are all going to be specialty, shi shi shops and from what I understand "locally owned". Now maybe it would be nice to have place where all of the county could shop and lord know we need the jobs around here.
If you don't want to walk in the Wal Mart or Target there is nothing to say you have to....you simply go down to the "locally owned" business and see if you can complete your shopping list.
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Re: Wal-mart
Posted on: 2008-03-03 14:03:10 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
Its true our county is full of family owned businesses - but we don't have enough to support employees and their families -- so they can buy a home, save a little, etc. Research shows small rural counties grow best when small businesses thrive. Besides big boxes expect counties to provide incentives to 'lure' them -- our county should provide incentives to small businesses instead -- incentives to help them become strong and vibrant.
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Tell the shops what you want...
Posted on: 2008-03-03 14:08:52 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
If you tell the local shops what you need, perhaps there's a way to get it here? If several county shops pooled their resources they could buy enough supply to lower the cost of that supply and that means lower prices for us, the customers!
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source of revenue
Posted on: 2008-02-19 07:38:22 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
this revenue would benefit Angels Camp -- not Calaveras County. Angels Camp is a city and would keep these revenues for itself. County government would not benefit.
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Re: source of revenue
Posted on: 2008-02-19 14:00:12 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.4.6
Where is it written that they would be in Angels Camp? This was just a discussion.
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better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-19 07:46:25 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
which would be a better choice?
1. Walmart -- low wages, throwaway merchandise, does not build a career base, doesn't promote other businesses except for fast food -- which doesn't promote a healthy lifestyle
2. Small business and enterprises - brings families in, builds a solid purchasing and merchandise base, lots of revenue from business and homeowners, supports infrastructure improvement like wi-fi, roads, public safety
Many counties have already reached the conclusion that choice #2 is healthier for their local economies and citizens. Which do you prefer?
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-19 13:03:29 By: Anonymous
Location: 70.143.90.193
Ditto to the last response. There are other good choices...
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-19 13:59:06 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.4.6
What's another good choice?
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-19 16:12:58 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.55
I support local businesses when I can. The things I buy out-of-county are things that are plain not available here.
There are not, as far as I know, a bunch of entrepreneurs just salivating to start small businesses in and around Angel's Camp. Blocking Wal-Mart from building here would in no way cause smaller, independent businesses to spring up instead. The alternative is business as usual, not a bunch of small businesses magically appearing, let alone surviving. We would just keep driving out of the county to shop.
Such small businesses are hard to start, and even harder to keep afloat, and few of them can afford insurance and other benefits for employees. I see no indication of that changing anytime soon.
A large store, whether it be Wal-Mart or some other, would at least provide some local employment, lower prices to consumers, and a place to shop without using a lot of gas.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-19 16:26:02 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.4.6
Could not of said it better.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-19 18:39:21 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.140.89
I second that!
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-23 08:56:57 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.208.34.81
You certainly could have said it better; you could have written "could have" instead of "could of"! I can see why you would want a Wal-Mart in town.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-23 11:38:51 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.55
Ooh, aren't we smug in our vast knowledge of grammar and vocabulary! You must be a real joy at parties.
You might work on comprehension a bit, though. Nobody in this sub-thread said they wanted Wal-Mart, just that we are not being handed a menu of stores we would want, but asked how we'd feel about a Wal-Mart coming to the area. Target is not looking here, as far as I know, and we can't "draft" them.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-28 14:52:27 By: Anonymous
Location: 137.164.246.3
I am sure you are some rich snob that doesn't do jack all day!!
There seems to be alot of those people. You sit there and criticize those that said could have or could of, well i say coulda......please criticize away!!
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-29 14:01:00 By: Anonymous
Location: 208.75.245.66
Bunny rabbits and sunshine.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-20 07:59:35 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
Calaveras County government, like most counties in our country, can provide economic incentives to support any kind of business they want. I believe we haven't really seen the county take any steps in this area. All businesses ask for concessions to get started. Check out what Wal-Mart is asking from Tuolumne County to build out its existing store. Small business will come to Calaveras County if its government provides good incentives - for example, Wi-Fi. Angels Camp is looking for an easy fix but what is it giving away in the bargain?
Our county needs families -- which provide both the income and the spending power to support our growth. Small business sets up this environment and it allows competition to push businesses to exceed expectations. A Wal-Mart in Angels Camp is a serious threat to our county's economic growth.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-23 11:49:58 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.55
What economic growth?
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economic growth for our county
Posted on: 2008-02-24 09:21:48 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
you're right - does this county need or have economic growth? Can we live with a budget funded by current revenues from taxes and fees? I think 'yes' if we accept that our county cannot grow in other ways either -- meaning housing developments bringing in new residents. Developments do not generate revenue to support the roads, schools and services required to support new residents. We must have economic growth if we accept housing developments. Our economic growth must match the demographics of these new residents. Baby boomer retirees? Young families? With the cost of fuel and the recession its just not clear who will want to move to Calaveras County in the near future.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-28 14:50:06 By: Anonymous
Location: 137.164.246.3
Woohoo!!! Hit the nail on the head. Couldnt agree more!
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-20 11:04:16 By: Anonymous
Location: 64.162.11.130
Walmart, just as other stores, does not sell "throwaway merchandise" . They offer the same brand names you purchase at other stores. Please do not perpetuate myths here.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-22 21:34:57 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
throwaway merchandise is sold in Wal-Mart today. Planned obsolescence is built into almost everything sold there. Cheap parts, and cheap fabrication will get you back to the store to buy more. When was the last time you repaired an iron or a toaster? Most folks just return to Wal-Mart for a new and improved model. The old one goes into the landfill.
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Re: better choices
Posted on: 2008-02-23 11:47:56 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.55
There is no appreciable difference between the items sold at Wal-Mart and that sold at other stores. Most things made today are "throw-away", regardless of which huge mega-chain sells it. Target sells the same crappy imported stuff as does Wal-Mart.
Besides, no other store is asking about coming here.
The question is about Wal-Mart. It's largely a yes-or-no question. "We want a Target" is not an answer that has any relevance to the question being asked.
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Target
Posted on: 2008-02-20 08:00:29 By: Anonymous
Location: 69.225.14.219
I do spend my dollars locally when I can, but agree with the poster that what I am looking for is not always available all of the time. I would like to see something other than Wal Mart go in. We have two Wal Mart stores in close proximity. I'm in favor of a Target that would provide a different option. We would also need to come up with a location that isn't going to bog down our traffic.
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Re: Target
Posted on: 2008-02-20 09:18:30 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
A target is an excellent idea. This way Calaveras County would then be the "draw" instead of the norm (having another Walmart). If Angels Camp had a Target you would actually have people from Tuolumne County and Amador and Alpine County actually coming HERE to shop for a change!! Target is an excellent choice and they actually have programs that benefit many aspects of society. Check out their Corporate Report http://sites.target.com/images/corporate/about/responsibility_report/responsibility_report_full.pdf
This is impressive for a large company and I think it would be a statement for our area that we are the "exception" and not the "norm". There is no doubt that we have such a wonderful quality of life here and by incorporating some of the modern conveniences like "big box store" shopping but in a careful and selective manner I think our county would benefit by it's uniqueness in selection but not staying behind the times. I know personally I would SEVERELY cut down the trips across the river and down the hill and across the county lines. I'm sure there would be many, many more like myself that would feel and react the same way!!!
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Re: Target
Posted on: 2008-02-23 11:56:31 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.55
There is no ballot with check-boxes next to Wal-Mart and Target.
Is Target asking, or do you want to call them and get them interested? I don't recall the question here being about a Target, but about a Wal-Mart.
A "No" to Wal-Mart is legitimate, but "No, we want a Target!" is not a relevant answer, and just seems naive and juvenile.
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Re: Target
Posted on: 2008-02-20 09:18:44 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
A target is an excellent idea. This way Calaveras County would then be the "draw" instead of the norm (having another Walmart). If Angels Camp had a Target you would actually have people from Tuolumne County and Amador and Alpine County actually coming HERE to shop for a change!! Target is an excellent choice and they actually have programs that benefit many aspects of society. Check out their Corporate Report http://sites.target.com/images/corporate/about/responsibility_report/responsibility_report_full.pdf
This is impressive for a large company and I think it would be a statement for our area that we are the "exception" and not the "norm". There is no doubt that we have such a wonderful quality of life here and by incorporating some of the modern conveniences like "big box store" shopping but in a careful and selective manner I think our county would benefit by it's uniqueness in selection but not staying behind the times. I know personally I would SEVERELY cut down the trips across the river and down the hill and across the county lines. I'm sure there would be many, many more like myself that would feel and react the same way!!!
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Re: Target
Posted on: 2008-02-21 08:15:05 By: Anonymous
Location: 24.6.75.134
A Target store wouldn't be so bad - as long as the driveway slope doesn't exceed 16 degrees.
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Re: Target
Posted on: 2008-03-05 15:05:43 By: Anonymous
Location: 76.233.153.115
And has legal access
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A Big Box Store
Posted on: 2008-02-20 11:02:47 By: Anonymous
Location: 64.162.11.130
First of all, do any of those large chains have any real interest in coming to Calaveras County? Since both Tuolumne and Amador Counties have a selection of big box type stores that clearly the citizens of our county buy from, would the stores have any incentive to come here now when they already get out dollars.
If such a business should want to build here where would they choose to build? They might select Angels Camp as having a large population base and with a sewer and water district but they might also want to center it in the county and utilize San Andreas etc. instead.
I know there are many who state that these larger stores will drive the small businesses out of business but it might work to the smaller businesses advantage when they can compare prices right in town between existing stores and say a Lowes. We always check out Home Depot and Lowes prices and then check locally with Calaveras Lumber or Swendeman's and most of the time they meet or are even lower than Lowes in pricing.
Even the most vocal of objectors, if they were honest, would admit that they are not buying locally all the time. This argument reminds me of when they were planning the Meadowmont Shopping Center in Arnold and there were so many protesters lining the highway, yet those same protestors are shopping there and very glad to have the stores now.
And lastly, they offer employment opportunities at a reasonable wage and with insurance benefits that so many of the local population need. Yes, there are jobs in the local stores but not that many and few that offer any insurance options at all.
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Wal Mart
Posted on: 2008-02-20 17:05:00 By: Anonymous
Location: 76.233.153.115
A Target store would be a MUCH better ibig box option than a Wal Mart! This I would vote for!
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Re: Wal Mart
Posted on: 2008-02-21 10:12:35 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.55
The poll is about whether we'd welcome Wal-Mart, not whether we'd prefer Target or some other of the huge chain stores. As far as I know Target has not expressed an interest.
Target has a better rep. as far as pay and benefits go (I have only shopped at a Target once, so I can't say much else about it) but if it comes to "voting" we won't have that choice. We can only "vote" yes-or-no on a store that expresses an interest in being here, we can't draft Target to come in.
If we keep Wal-Mart out through a vote we will get nothing, not another big chain of our choosing or lot of smaller, independent stores.
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Wal-Mart
Posted on: 2008-02-21 00:49:47 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.181.87.142
I would love it! Everying up here is so expensive. It could make it easier to survive in an this area. For me anyway's, being low-income.
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Wal-Mart
Posted on: 2008-02-21 11:04:05 By: Anonymous
Location: 64.174.30.238
There is a Wal-Mart in Sonora which draws Calaveras County residence to Tuolumne County. I'm sure that we stop by many other business's wile we are there. What Calaveras County needs is a business that will draw people from other counties, something that they don't have. Like maybe a Trader Joes??
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No Subject
Posted on: 2008-02-21 18:51:59 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.1.70
isnt angles camp getting crowed enough. hell people if you want everything at your finger tips then move back to the city.
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Re:
Posted on: 2008-02-22 21:38:44 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
Damn straight...you got a point there!
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Re: Wal-Mart
Posted on: 2008-02-25 21:24:10 By: Anonymous
Location: 76.20.108.15
I agree with that statement. The congestion would be disasterous. Maybe Calaveras County isn't a good place to live if you are seeking employment. Maybe that is just a reality.
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Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-22 08:35:41 By: Anonymous
Location: 209.78.171.126
Walmart doesn't seem to be anyone's first choice but everytime I am there shopping for the essentials like dog food, paper towels, sweatshirts, underweat, I see lots of people from Calaveras there too! I also see them at Carls Jt, and the other places I stop by because I went to Walmart to take advantage of the low prices.
Calaveras County is missing on sales tax revenue yes, but all of the other little businesses that get revenue because people shop there on their way to or from Walmart.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-22 21:51:16 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.131.88
Do you think that we could move on to more substantial dialogue? Bottom line, one must look at the reason a Walmart super store would be interested in Angels Camp or anywhere in Calaveras. Who do we want to support? A mega business (ie. Walmart) who exploits cheap labor and will raise the prices once they have established themselves in an area? Do we, seriously, want to be dubbed into "fake" knowledge? What do we compromise, as a society, when the shallow thinking is: "Yes, bring in the Walmarts! It is convenient, it is cheap, etc. We will worry about the consequences of such perceived "greed and convenience" that such stores as Walmart exude. Has anyone who supports the Walmark mentality ever stopped and questioned: 'What is in it for them?" I truly believe that they are looking at their profit margins...NOT YOU, THE CALAVERAS INDIVIDUAL. Folks, I guess that leaves it up to you. You are the individuals who have a responsibility of acting from a point of "KNOWLEDGE", not presumptive arrogance. Decide what it is you want, only after you have fully understood what it is that these mega stores are REALLY in this for.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-23 11:03:40 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
So true...Walmart and any other big box store will be looking for a profit in coming to the area...But I think ANY retail business in the area is looking for that, otherwise they wouldn't be in business!!! Some businesses do tend to help the local community in ways that they contribute and "give back", but for the most part they are open to make a buck! It's capitalism, and as long as we have needs and the money to buy or fulfill those needs then there will be someone making a buck off us, it's what grows an economy. There is always someone that will see a need and fill it, or someone that sees a way that they can make a profit at a lower price or offer a service that a competitor doesn't and fill it, it's competition! The question is will a big box store see that thy can make a go of locating here? I'm sure they are running the numbers just like Starbucks and blockbuster and Longs and every other chain has done. There is no doubt that a Big Box store is inevitable in the future, the question is are we ready for it?
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-23 12:02:56 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.55
What, and you think other businesses, large and small, don't exploit the "cheap labor" here?
Are the workers at Ace, Taco Bell, and Froggie's car wash buying estates in Bahrain?
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-23 14:11:53 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
http://www.walmartfacts.com/FactSheets/
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-23 22:22:54 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.131.88
So do you think these big box stores just make up the information on their fact sheets and corporate reports? And they are hiding some secret agenda to dupe people out of their hard earned cash? The reality of it is that most of their consumers never hear about the good that they do and the money they put into worthy causes. What most people hear and think is that they are "big business" and because of that they get a bad rap, and that they are the bad guys that hire at low wages, low benefits and are as one book stated "destroying america". There is no doubt that some companies have taken advantage of people in one way or another but you just don't get "big" overnight or by duping everyone in the US. The fact is they saw a need in the economy and filled it and built a business just as the big 3 US auto makers and Apple and Microsoft has done. No doubt in some instances played dirty, but sometimes that is just life. If you don't like what these businesses stand for then just don't shop there! Ignore them! Boycott them whatever! If I don't like the way a business treats people I just don't shop there, plain and simple. So back to the original question "How do you feel about Wal-Mart Approaching Angels Camp?" I think, whatever they want to do is fine within the confines of the laws and regulations that exist wherever they may want to locate. I have no bias or argument against them.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-24 18:30:26 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.182.78.168
I think its about wages one can live on.WalMart means LOW WAGES ,HEALTH CARE paid for by CALAVERAS COUNTY,our tax dollars. Say no to wal-mart, YES to ACE HRDWR,YESto MIDDLETONS,YES TO LONGS,RITE AIDE,SMART and dozens of LOCAL private companys that have provided goods and services for years
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Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-24 17:59:33 By: Anonymous
Location: 75.18.132.223
The question was what do we think about Walmart, not Target. I don't really think that there is that much of a difference between Target and Walmart. Let's just get more shopping so we don't all drive somewhere else to spend our money.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-25 08:00:33 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
Let's just get more shopping so we don't all drive somewhere else to spend our money.
In the short term this is a great idea but there are significant long-term negative effects of a Wal-Mart or Target in our community. Many, many communities around our state reached this same conclusion. We need a healthy economy - that means good jobs. Without good jobs the county ends up paying for services. Why not bring in jobs that pay people to take care of themselves? Wal-Mart will never do this, and when it comes in it brings in other businesses that produce the same anemic economy. Let's think long-term health folks!
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Target Target Target
Posted on: 2008-02-25 08:18:35 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.3.28
What ever happened to the buzz Target was interested a while back ? Target would be better than aWalmart. I've supported the local bizs around ,they aren't to grateful,happy to charge more with a like it or lump it attitude.
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Re: Target Target Target
Posted on: 2008-02-25 09:24:22 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.185
Can we get rid of that horrible Burger King and bring in a McDonalds or a Wendys?
The BK is a dump and food is terrible.
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Walmart?
Posted on: 2008-02-25 08:21:48 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.185
Why not have some progress in a community where fair wages are an issue. Maybe a Walmart will bring some better paying jobs for those who aren't making enough at Longs or Rite Aid. The other bigger companies that are in our community don't ay anywhere close to competitive salaries that you see in the Valley and especialy the Bay Area. But housing costs are higher here than the Valley and are not too far behind the outer Bay Area's.
The bigger companies that are in our area like Comcast, Rite Aid and Longs need to realize this. Just ask any Comcast person the next time he or she is at your house about fair wages. I have hear nothing but bad things about that.
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Re: Walmart?
Posted on: 2008-02-25 09:29:30 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.185
We need something like what a Walmart would bring. Good, honest competitive prices.
I use for example an instance of the camera shop in Arnold and how bad their customer service was a while back when we were sold the wrong memory card for our camera and the owner was extrememly reluctant to take the return and give us our money back saying that she would then have to take the money out of the employee who sold us the card pay check. We then went to Walmart who had the correct card and the service person was very pleasant.
With gas prices approaching $3.50 once again, that drive to Sonora saves more than time.
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Re: Walmart?
Posted on: 2008-02-25 14:40:12 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
I really don't get this talk about low wages, and the assumption that any big box store would be promoting them. The fact of the matter is they can offer whatever wage that fits within the law! Plain and simple. People aren't forced to work at these places, they actually apply for the jobs themselves knowing full well what the starting wage is. There is nothing wrong with businesses offering minimum wage jobs for entry level positions. With that they endure the hardship of a large turnover rate as the employees see better opportunities in their future and quit, and go to work for someone else, until they see another and better opportunity, etc...It's called working your way up! People that stay in these dead end jobs just don't really have aspirations of moving up and usually sit around and complain about the management, and their wages. If they don't like then just move on. Same goes for anyone in any job around here. Then people complain that there are no good jobs around here...then move to where your prospects are better or go get trained in a different profession. I think that these stores actually would help high school kids in getting work or people that need another income but no one is forcing people to work there. If they do not have anything good to offer then I suppose they will have a tough time finding employees?
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Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-25 19:36:15 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
Walmart is a great place to start a career -- in retail. But where would a retail career-minded person go from there? The Chamber of Commerce in Calaveras County is not pursuing retail because it drags down a county economy. Nearby counties have also found this to be true. No, Walmart is not where we want our youth to learn about jobs. Our youth deserve a job that helps them learn about the value of hard work, their role in society and how to maintain our county's reputation as a beautiful rural place.
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-25 21:13:35 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
It would be interesting to get the Chamber's thoughts on the possibility of a big box store coming to the area. I do think the chamber is interested in keeping our dollars within the county. It is just a fact that we all venture beyond county lines to buy our goods. We all shop local also. It is the nature of where we reside. We all live here for many many diverse reasons and there will be no solution that makes everyone happy. It would be nice to see our county grow in a manner that brings in conveniences at good pricing but respects the quality of life we all enjoy. There are many many excellent models of that throughout the country. One place I noticed the excellent mix of big business with a small town atmosphere was Freeport, Maine where Lands End is located. The town was beautiful and had alot of fast food businesses and larger stores but they blended right into the landscape and the corporate world had to comply with the theme developed there, and that benefited the locals with good jobs, modern conveniences, availability of products locally, and that in turn attracts visitors to the area to boost the economy. I would love to see themes and this spirit of community within our county. Love to see the Chamber grab ahold of this concept and promote it!
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-26 06:52:50 By: Anonymous
Location: 69.226.122.44
The way people are talking you would think Calaveras County is made up of Rocket Scientists and people with PHD's and Bio Engineers... Many people in this county would love to have a convenient, secure, dependable place of employment. I have worked at the same job in Calaveras County for 20 years and contrary to the popular opinion of the past few reponses, no place in Calaveras County is known for their high or even medium wages. The markets, businesses, companies in this county in no way support wages of bigger more populated areas. Just because someone chooses to work at Walmart, Target, Big Trees Market, Save Mart, Calaveras Lumber... does not mean they are any less of a wage earner. A job is a job and all are important to the employed person. So all you Rocket Scientists don't worry about the other Joe, if they are happy and working to make a contribution to this little part of the country, let it be.
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-26 09:57:23 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
All residents deserve a job that pays them a living wage. Wal-Mart doesn't. Residents must supplement with additional jobs and time away from their families. This just won't do. It leads to poor health and who can pay for health insurance on a Walmart wage? Working multiple jobs also keeps you away from your family. Who watches after the children and ensures they are successful in school? Where does the career ladder take you once you've outgrown WalMart? I won't even mention affording a home. No, our residents deserve better jobs that allow them to maintain their dignity and a realistic family budget.
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-26 15:57:18 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
I am an employer in Calaveras County, and I do pay excellent wages, and I know many of my friends in business up here also pay well. I cannot afford health benefits currently but I would love to at some time, and it is all dependent on the economy. I have 4 employees that make upward of $75k and a couple starting employees that make in the $25-30k. I personally started in those Walmart type jobs, paper routes, mowing lawns, restaurant business, etc...and today I have worked my way up to employing people and giving them the ability to work their way up also. I know many businesses in this county that offer the same types of advancement, and to think that we don't have this available to our residents is just a crock! The jobs I employ are in the trades and do not even require more than a h.s. education. The problem lies with the drive of an individual, and whether they want to make a success of themselves. To blame the business in the area is absolutely ridiculous. I know many people that have worked their way up from the Walmarts of the world and have made themselves a success. The only ones that stay at the starting pay jobs are the ones with no ambition or just see no way out, or non risk takers. I have had employees with no drive or don't care or can't seem to show up for work, and they don't advance. The core problem with quite a few people is that they all want a job, they all want a check, but they don't want to work! Why reward that behavior? That is who belongs in a Walmart career, as they are probably the only ones that would hire them. Stop blaming the businesses of this county, unless you would like double + the prices of what you pay for goods and services? Running a business and dealing with all that is associated with it is no walk in the park and we all try to do our best to offer goods and services at reasonable prices to our clients and customers.
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-26 19:51:45 By: Anonymous
Location: 69.226.122.44
Dear Pine Tree.net,
Is this the most responses you have received for one of your polls? It has been very interesting and very entertaining. We sure have a lot of different ideas from a lot of different people in our beautiful Calaveras County. It takes all kinds. Your website has really brought out lots of opinions and at the same time make us all feel like a real community. Keep up the GREAT work!
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-28 14:16:06 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
I would love to see our county filled up with local businesses with your work ethic. My question is where is the sense of community and support for young people and adults working at a Wal-Mart? Where is the healthy economy that supports the county? How many Wal-mart workers can own their own home here? Wal-mart cannot offer these essential ingredients for a vibrant economy. Yes, people can buy goods, but the dollars leave the county and go elsewhere. Let's use local businesses as our model. We would love to hear more about how you do it!
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-02-29 15:36:07 By: Anonymous
Location: 137.164.246.3
Geeze, what store do you own?? Are you looking for help. I work for the county and dont make that much!
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Re: Walmart retail jobs -- no where to go
Posted on: 2008-03-03 08:33:45 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.144.185
Well I know for sure and its no secret that Ironstone Vineyards pays really lousy and has been having poor management of late especially in their tasting room.
They seem to think that they have some sort of clout since they put on concerts and that their you know what doesn not stink.
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Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-27 07:13:29 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
So I just was talking with my parents that live out of the county and told them of the possibility of a box store, and namely Walmart looking into the possibility of locating possibly in Angels Camp. I told them about what a few people here were saying about them promoting low wages and not good benefits. My mom said that their neighbor started working for Walmart 22 years ago at the bottom. He worked his way up through their system and now manages 5 Walmarts at the age of 40 and makes a very good income and has a beautiful home in an affluent area. So I think it is possible for people to start at the bottom and work their way into management if that is what they desire.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-27 11:20:58 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.181.87.164
A Wal Mart in every town! Yes
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-27 11:40:09 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
Not in every town...just every other town! HA!!! oh and throw in a few Targets just for good measure and competition ;)
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-27 22:56:22 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
22 years is quite a long time ago. So much has changed since then!
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-28 15:54:25 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
Yes it has! 22 years ago the minimum wage in California was $3.35 per hour and now it is $8.00 per hour. It's all relative. This guy started at minimum wage 22 yrs ago ...worked hard...stuck with it and then 22 years later manages 5 stores, has a nice home and a family that he supports. It's all about ambition, and it really doesn't matter if it is Walmart or Burger King or any other minimum wage job, it's about drive. I personally think a person that starts in a lower paying job to start and works their way up the ladder through perseverance takes nothing for granted and appreciates every dime that they make. But a person that starts a high paying job takes so much for granted and misses out on what working hard to get there does for their character. Everyone I know of that has worked their way up from nothing are the true successes in life and business and I think if you asked the majority of the business owners around here their stories all started with a working hard ethic to get where they are today.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-28 15:56:04 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
I would love to see our county filled up with local businesses with your work ethic. My question is where is the sense of community and support for young people and adults working at a Wal-Mart? Where is the healthy economy that supports the county? How many Wal-mart workers can own their own home here? Wal-mart cannot offer these essential ingredients for a vibrant economy. Yes, people can buy goods, but the dollars leave the county and go elsewhere. Let's use local businesses as our model. We would love to hear more about how you do it!
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-28 16:37:46 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
So where do you buy NEW men's clothing around here other than western wear (no offense!) or upper priced mens clothing in Arnold (nice, but just not practical for everyone) or young men's clothing, or other new cost effective clothing for men and women and young women and children in this part of the county? I know there are many thrift stores around, but it is tough to find some sizes and just the basics! I know of many local stores that have tried over the many years and they all have faded away. It would be nice to have some place close that you could just get a basic pair of nice jeans or pants at a reasonable price! or a pair of football /baseball/soccer cleats.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-28 18:06:35 By: Anonymous
Location: 69.226.122.44
I agree whole heartedly!!! Seems to me there are a lot of people that feel someone owes them something. One of the best things my dad taught me was that no one owes me anything, be it a job, a good paying job, the privilege to own a home..... I have to get out and make my own way and not depend on others, be it government or any employer to get me through life. It takes self drive and an independent being. Teach your children this, they need to work for what they want and do whatever it takes to fulfill their own dreams. Whining about the government owing me a good paying job or the company that owes me a good paying job is really getting people no where. It's all about personal dreams and personal choices.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-02-28 20:07:13 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
Kudos to that!
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Making your own way
Posted on: 2008-02-29 08:15:19 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.7.62
I love this ethic but it will literally drive good workers from our county. There are so many places in our state and the country that offer better opportunities for employeees to make it big. No, our county must make it possible for good workers to stay and contribute to our local county's economy. The county can offer incentives to grow small business or what-have-you.
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Re: Making your own way
Posted on: 2008-02-29 23:18:40 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.244.22.38
What we need are jobs...period! We need a county government friendly for the business community and climate. When an infrastructure of good basic businesses with a steady growth management spurred on by an economic stimulus that embraces the business community is adopted then is when better paying jobs and businesses start coming to the area. Why would a great paying business want to move, start up or do business in a town, city or county that doesn't even have a place that you can buy or shop for basic clothing for men, women, teens, and children? Yes I'm sure they would appreciate the wonderful things about this area, like clean air, low crime, quality education, and wonderful recreational activities and beauty! But part of enjoying that is not having to leave the county to buy your kid a pair of jeans or your kids some sox and underwear!
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-03-01 20:08:01 By: Anonymous
Location: 67.187.131.88
Being a teacher in this county, I couldn't have said it better. You hit the nail on the head. If you have children of your own, you have, no doubt, already instilled this work ethic and they are on their way to success in their own lives. Thank you for such an insightful comment.
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No Subject
Posted on: 2008-02-29 16:14:16 By: Anonymous
Location: 63.76.209.231
I would like to see a large department store in either Angels Camp or Valley Springs, hopefully one that takes good care of its employees (not Walmart), and will be an asset to our county.
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Walmart
Posted on: 2008-03-02 08:23:16 By: Anonymous
Location: 4.245.120.74
I believe that we need either a Wal Mart or a Target in Angels Camp. With the price of gas we all need stores that have what we need. It will keep the wages in the county and give people a selection. It would be nice to get a Kohls or a Mervyns here too.
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Re: Walmart
Posted on: 2008-03-03 10:50:54 By: Anonymous
Location: 69.233.203.121
WOW! I just noticed that the votes are tied, with 196 votes. In the beginning (2/19/08) the NO walmart votes were ahead by quite a bit. Very interesting and entertaining. This has been fun! NEXT Poll Please.
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Make a list
Posted on: 2008-03-03 21:34:52 By: Anonymous
Location: 216.86.180.180
We keep a list of staples and go to Sonora once a month. It's always enjoyable to leave the mountain and know we are coming home to fill our pantry. We shop locally for all of our fresh produce, meat, dairy,etc. I know we are getting fewer great buys at WalMart now..for example: Friskies cat food used to be .25/can. This past week it is now .42/can. It makes us wonder if maybe we should go every 6 weeks now, especially with gas going so high. I have written Angel's camp about this issue. The reply has been the same, nothing. Over 21 years we've watched the demise of Sonora & Jackson as the big box stores arrived. Sonora even lost their historic J.C. Penny ! Now it is slowly creeping in to Copperopolis and Angel's camp. What is appealing about the new intersection at 4 & 49? Absolutely nothing.
It used to be such a welcoming place, now it looks like Any Town, U.S.A. The dollar will win and the magic that used to belong to the area will be long forgotten. It breaks our hearts when we drive home from a fun time in the Bay Area and we now see the glow from the new Copperopolis town square.
It's only when we leave Murphy's that the magic of the dark night returns and we are the only car on the highway as we make the final climb home.
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Re: Make a list
Posted on: 2008-03-04 17:06:47 By: Anonymous
Location: 98.224.1.70
I thought the whole idea of moving to the foothill-,Mountains was to get away from the whole City Thing. I dont mind going to Sonora to do shopping or that cant wait to get back home trip to the City. Just think in a few (and i do mean few) years you all will be Bitching about how Crowded AnglesCamp has gotting.("It looks more like a city than a peaceful town) well anyway it is a Bad Idea!!!!
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