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Posted by: thepinetree on 01/26/2018 12:43 PM Updated by: thepinetree on 01/26/2018 12:45 PM
Expires: 01/01/2023 12:00 AM
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National Forest Now Open Range? ~ Op-Ed By Tony Gheno

Sonora, CA...The Toulumne County Court has determined that National Forest Land is now Open Range. This is a huge change considering it has been closed range since the gold rush days. This affects thousands of property owners in our county. Any land that borders the forest or in the forest can now run Cattle, if the FS wants to stop them they will need to build fences to keep them off FS land.





I had been fighting the ranchers to stop trespassing my property out near the Mt Knight area, I had Randy Havelt Look into this and why the sheriffs dept and county courts refused too assert these guys when we we made aware The Toulumne County Court has determined that Nation Forest Land is now Open Range

This is a huge change considering it has been closed range since the gold rush days

This affects thousands of property owners in our county. Any land that borders the forest or in the forest can now run Cattle, if the FS wants to stop them they will need to build fences to keep them off FS land

I had been fighting the ranchers in my area to stop trespassing my property out near the Mt Knight area, I had Randy Havelt Look into this and why the sheriffs dpt and county courts refused too Prosecute these guys when we we made aware that the courts determined that while Toulumne County is closed range, the FS land is open range.

The following response from a County person involved:

“We are aware of this and have made every attempt to solve Mr. Gheno’s issues. It comes down to that this forest is “open range”, meaning it is the property owners responsibility to fence his/her property to keep the cattle out of his/her land. “


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted on: 2018-01-26 12:51:34   By: Anonymous
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LYING, CHEATING, CROOKED HILLARY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


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    Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Posted on: 2018-01-26 13:11:08   By: Anonymous
     
    Good. Free The Forest, the peoples property.
    This land is my land, this land is your land....this land was made for you and me.

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    Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Posted on: 2018-01-26 13:11:27   By: Anonymous
     
    In the picture, snapped in the darkness of a Wilton vineyard, Jack Kautz crouches behind a dead buck, smiling broadly as he holds up the animal’s head by its freakishly large set of antlers.

    It was a buck for the record books – with sprawling antlers about an arm’s width apart. If Kautz, 52, had been able to claim it as an official trophy, he could have added it to his long list of accomplishments detailed on the website of his family’s Lodi grape growing business, Ironstone Vineyards.

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      Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
      Posted on: 2018-01-26 18:02:53   By: Anonymous
       
      I think u have buck envy.

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        Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        Posted on: 2018-01-27 04:31:42   By: Anonymous
         
        I haven't bucked in ages but know a pretty little gal who will help me learn how to all over again.
        I just wish these depends had a place to whip out my dead tool.

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      Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
      Posted on: 2018-01-28 01:56:34   By: Anonymous
       
      This pouched deer was no trophy here in California I've seen 32 to 34 inch bucks here in Calaveras county but it was to bad some kid couldn't have harvested it being it was so called crippled behind 8 foot fences what a guy even after the season closed two weeks after the tag was validated by a official of the law he should be prosecuted also to funny my bucks are in the books he'll never see Bambi again

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    Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Posted on: 2018-01-26 19:34:47   By: Anonymous
     
    It isn’t funny , it is cute. It is demented and shows only a level of stupidity unseen ever on this forum. Sick. Stupid.

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      Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
      Posted on: 2018-01-26 22:13:47   By: Anonymous
       
      It still doesn't explain the basketball courts built on deserted islands.

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        Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        Posted on: 2018-01-27 04:33:39   By: Anonymous
         
        That makes sense, it isn't funny, it's cute? What r u looking at, your little manhood?

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          Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
          Posted on: 2018-01-27 21:34:06   By: Anonymous
           
          ^ Garry Shandling.

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    Re: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Posted on: 2018-01-28 01:41:06   By: Anonymous
     
    Daw you no brainer fence your property your just a free loader taking advantage of property other than your own but then you might have to do some work

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-01-26 15:59:06   By: Anonymous
 
So.....if cattle trespass on your private land can you shoot them?

Can we petition to have a season on cattle that are loose in the national forest? Like a deer season, but easier? If it's the people's land, then they are the people's cattle, right?

Really, this seems absurd. How can it be anyone but the rancher's responsibility to keep his cattle off private land?

Is this a recent decision? Is it being appealed? The Forest Service controls all kinds of forest uses to ensure enjoyment by all. They can ban ATVs but not cattle? Absurd.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-26 18:57:27   By: Anonymous
     
    So buy some cattle or build a fence bud. The cattle will save your property from the next fire. Log it , graze it, or watch it burn. A simple lesson we learned from the gold rush. John Muir had good friends from the beginning that challenged his way of thinking- they were good friends because they were right.:)

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2018-01-27 10:05:57   By: Anonymous
       
      I think I'd like to graze my pet tiger in the forest too. Let me know where you have your cattle. She's hungry.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2018-01-28 02:26:21   By: Anonymous
         
        Boy that was smart I'd like to see you try that what the hell you watching your kids tv

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2018-01-27 04:36:58   By: Anonymous
     
    Yeah... so if you park on FS land, or camp, or fish, then your vehicle and belongings are mine or whoever gets to them first, does that answer your asinine question there buckaroo?

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Question
Posted on: 2018-01-26 16:33:26   By: Anonymous
 
How does a local court (Tuolumne) have jurisdiction over Federal land rights and any liabilities thereupon. Just curious.

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    Re: Question
    Posted on: 2018-01-26 17:43:39   By: Anonymous
     
    Your cow destroys my pot plants I have your cow for munchie time.


    [Reply ]

      Re: Question
      Posted on: 2018-01-26 19:13:17   By: Anonymous
       
      Gloop?

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        Re: Question
        Posted on: 2018-01-26 19:47:57   By: Anonymous
         
        F U GLOOP

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    Re: Question and Answer
    Posted on: 2018-01-26 21:27:27   By: Anonymous
     
    "How does a local court (Tuolumne) have jurisdiction over Federal land rights"??
    Simple, this decision has no bearing on Federal land rights.
    This decision affects the county's citizens relationship with adjoining USFS land. What citizens need to do to enforce their property's border.
    Just take the initiative and build a wall. What Would Trump Do?

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      Re: Question and Answer
      Posted on: 2018-01-27 04:43:23   By: Anonymous
       
      Have another drink, and be quiet, please.

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        Re: Question and Answer
        Posted on: 2018-01-27 06:47:27   By: Anonymous
         
        Open range cattle damage forest lands . This trump administration is a environmental disaster.

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          Re: Question and Answer
          Posted on: 2018-01-27 09:12:09   By: Anonymous
           
          so do snow mobiles and atv,s


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            Re: Question and Answer
            Posted on: 2018-01-27 10:04:24   By: Anonymous
             
            Yep. Ban them all. National forests are for hiking, hunting and fishing. Camping too.

            Keep your noisy, dirty power vehicles off my trails. And keep your cattle on your own property.

            Grazing cattle in the National Forest is no more OK than growing pot in the National Forest. Neither serves the public good, and that should be the only thing that matters.



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              Re: Question and Answer
              Posted on: 2018-01-27 11:38:42   By: Anonymous
               
              Except that grazing helps to prevent catastrophic fires. Responsible ranchers move their cattle and understand perfectly how not to overgraze and when to move their animals to allow for future growth and feed.

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              Re: Question and Answer
              Posted on: 2018-01-27 13:36:50   By: Anonymous
               
              Hiking and similar activities also damage the forest. Vibram boots and other types of boots are damaging. Walking damages and kills vegetation and compacts the ground. Hikers bring in foreign invasive substances in their boots and clothing. They also urinate and defecate outside of sanitary sewer systems. So hikers and backpackers should be kept out too. It's a matter of fairness.

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                Re: Question and Answer
                Posted on: 2018-01-27 15:41:17   By: Anonymous
                 
                Does a bear shyte in the woods?

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                Re: Question and Answer
                Posted on: 2018-01-27 15:48:25   By: Anonymous
                 
                Hikers do not damage the land as much as cattle. They don't (generally) poop on the trails.

                But the real point is that the national forest belongs to people, not cattle. And not just cattle owners.

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                  Re: Question and Answer
                  Posted on: 2018-01-27 15:49:43   By: Anonymous
                   
                  And the real discussion was about keeping cattle off PRIVATE land. Why should I have to fence my PRIVATE land to keep your cattle off it?

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                    Re: Question and Answer
                    Posted on: 2018-01-28 02:11:31   By: Anonymous
                     
                    Buddy you must be really stupid when you get stoned you probably don't know where your at anyway hopefully they don't let you have a gun

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                      Re: Question and Answer
                      Posted on: 2018-01-28 14:01:17   By: Anonymous
                       
                      Non-responsive. But thanks for playing.

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                  Re: Question and Answer
                  Posted on: 2018-01-28 02:04:37   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Give me a break you looser cow crap is a mix of grass and water no brainer

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                  Re: Question and Answer
                  Posted on: 2018-01-28 08:27:17   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Well, I'd say there's a hundred plus years of precedence that would argue differently.

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                Re: Question and Answer
                Posted on: 2018-01-27 21:37:43   By: Anonymous
                 
                And the trend in doing perms in the NF is out of the question.

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Cattle on Forest Service Land
Posted on: 2018-01-27 17:56:55   By: Anonymous
 
Contrary to the original statement, the range hasn't been closed since the Gold Rush. The Stanislaus National Forest was created February 22, 1897, and the system of allotments instituted about 1907. Prior to that time, the land was either private or owned by the government. In the 1860s, two sheepmen owned Silver Valley (present Alpine Lake), and pastured several hundred sheep on the land. Since the Forest Reserve was instituted, the amount of livestock allowed in the high country has been dramatically reduced, and ranchers now have to follow fairly restrictive rangeland management practices..

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No Subject
Posted on: 2018-01-28 20:44:08   By: Anonymous
 
A local state court won’t override federal law in federal courts. Don’t get too excited

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