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Posted by: thepinetree on 11/06/2017 09:16 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 11/06/2017 09:16 AM
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Americans Against Gun Violence Responds to Sutherland Springs Mass Shooting

Sacramento, CA...Americans Against Gun Violence extends heartfelt condolences to the families and friends of all the people killed in the mass shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas on November 5. We also extend our deepest sympathy to all the surviving victims along with sincere wishes for a prompt and complete recovery.




At the same time, however, we agree with the statement made by the late Senator Thomas Dodd of Connecticut in 1968, following the assassinations of Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., and Senator Robert F. Kennedy:

Pious condolences will no longer suffice....Quarter measures and half measures will no longer suffice....The time has now come that we must adopt stringent gun control legislation comparable to the legislation in force in virtually every civilized country of the world.

Since Senator Dodd made this statement in 1968, more U.S. civilians have died of gunshot wounds than all the U.S. soldiers killed in all the wars in which our country has ever been involved.

The Sutherland Springs mass shooting, in which at least 26 people were killed and 20 others wounded by a lone gunman using a semi-automatic rifle, comes exactly five weeks after the worst mass shooting in U.S. history in Las Vegas, Nevada, in which at least 58 people were killed and hundreds more were wounded by a single gunman using similar firearms. Since the Las Vegas mass shooting, as has been the case after every other horrific mass shooting in the United States, Congress has done nothing to prevent similar mass shootings from recurring on a regular basis.

The regular occurrence of mass shootings is preventable. Mass shootings occur rarely, if at all, in other high income democratic countries of the world, all of which have far more stringent gun control regulations than the United States.

Following a mass shooting in 1996 in the resort town of Port Arthur, Australia, in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded by a single gunman using semi-automatic rifles, it took the Australian government just 13 days to agree to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Australia already had stringent restrictions on civilian ownership of handguns. The Australian government subsequently bought back approximately 1 million semi-automatic rifles and melted them down. There have been no more mass shootings in Australia since the ban went into effect, and the rate of gun homicides in Australia, which was one fifteenth the rate in the United States, has subsequently dropped to one twenty-seventh the U.S. rate.

Preliminary reports from the Sutherland Springs First Baptist Church mass shooting indicate that a bystander in an adjacent house may have used a rifle to mortally wound the alleged shooter, Devin Kelley, but only after the shooter had already killed 26 people and wounded 20 others in and around the church. If confirmed, the actions of the bystander are heroic and commendable. The gun lobby will almost certainly exploit the bystander's heroism, though, to claim that the way to prevent mass shootings is to arm more law-abiding people.

An FBI study of 160 separate mass shooting incidents between 2000 and 2013 found that an armed bystander other than a security guard or off duty police officer stopped the shooter in only one case. In 21 cases, unarmed bystanders disabled and restrained the shooter.

Moreover, if arming law abiding citizens were the way to prevent mass shootings and other gun violence, the United States, which has by far the highest per capita rate of private gun ownership of any high income democratic country in the world, should have the least gun violence. In fact, though, the United States is the only high income democratic country in the world in which mass shootings occur on a regular basis, and the rate of gun homicide in the United States is 19.5 times higher than the average of the other high income democratic countries of the world.

Gun violence has been appropriately called America's "shameful epidemic." It is clearly shameful for someone to walk into a church and slaughter parishioners with a semi-automatic rifle, or for someone to open fire from a 32nd floor hotel room onto people gathered below to listen to a country music concert. It is also shameful, though, for us as a society to fail to take the obvious step necessary to prevent not only mass shootings, but also the daily carnage of gun violence that claims 99 lives on an average day in our country. It long past time that we should heed the words of the late Senator Thomas Dodd and adopt stringent gun control laws in our country comparable to the gun control laws that have long been in effect in every other high income democratic country of the world.


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Blah blah blah
Posted on: 2017-11-06 09:54:10   By: Anonymous
 
What is known

1. The shooter was a wife and child abuser, convicted, confined for 12 months, and thrown out of the Air Force.
2. Could not pass a back ground check to purchase a weapon or obtain a concealed carry permit.
3. Obviously, as outlined by many acquaintances as unstable.
4. Plain and simple, a looser.
5. Ex-in laws attended the church
6. Gun grabbers, on the march well prior to any eulogies.
7. Gun grabbers never want to talk about mental health issues
8. Gun grabbers only talk about mass shootings for sensational purposes.
9. Gun grabbers and politicians never talk about the killings that take every day in certain cities. I might add, most democratically controlled.

Greetings from the beautiful state of Arizona, where I am sitting at my RV park with my legally licensed to carry (not in Commifornia), 9mm strapped to my side. I go about my business knowing I will give it my best effort to protect my self and those around me.

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    Re: Blah blah blah
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 10:49:54   By: Anonymous
     
    Right on, if crazy people want to hurt somebody they will. They may use a gun, a vehicle, a bomb, fire or anything that will cause death or injury. We need more good people to carry and protect the innocent. Arizona understands this. Here in California our politicians want to disarm everybody, but themselves. Go figure.

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      Re: Blah blah blah
      Posted on: 2017-11-06 12:40:41   By: Anonymous
       
      If it wasn't for a good guy with a gun, this lunatic could have killed many more.
      Keep your powder dry and your eyes open.

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        ban semiautomatic rifles
        Posted on: 2017-11-07 14:24:15   By: Anonymous
         


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      Re: Blah blah blah
      Posted on: 2017-11-06 14:47:44   By: Anonymous
       
      We do not NEED machine guns!!! Ban machine guns now. Nothing wrong with rifles. I own Three shot guns for duck hunting. I am not anti-gun, but these mass murders are a disgrace. The majority of Americans do want machine guns sold. It is sick.

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        Re: Blah blah blah
        Posted on: 2017-11-06 16:55:12   By: Anonymous
         
        Being someone who supposedly owns guns, I am surprised you do not know that machine guns have been banned to the general public for decades. Also, with few exceptions, machine guns are rifles. You are correct that mass murders are a disgrace. How exactly do you propose to stop them? People mow down others with trucks, blow them up with make-shift bombs, etc. It is not the gun that kills, it is the person. Taking guns away from law abiding people does nothing except make law abiding people defenseless. Criminals love defenseless people.

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      Let's All Be Armed!
      Posted on: 2017-11-06 18:48:23   By: Anonymous
       
      So, if AR-15 is where we are, I believe I may need an RPG to match what some other criminal may acquire, right?

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        Re: Let's All Be Armed!
        Posted on: 2017-11-06 20:08:30   By: Anonymous
         
        What causes all these left wing, liberal Democrat crazies to commit these mass shootings?
        Could it be because they are left wing, liberal Democrat crazies?

        Notice you never hear of NRA members doing this kind of crap.

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    looser
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 17:19:25   By: Anonymous
     
    ?

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    Re: Blah blah blah
    Posted on: 2017-11-07 09:27:16   By: Anonymous
     
    Well, greetings from sunny California, where I only personally comment on news sites relevant to my location....you must have a very non-exciting life, grandpa.

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    Re: Blah blah blah
    Posted on: 2017-11-09 18:29:32   By: Anonymous
     
    HooRaa Arizona Folk!

    Criminals don't follow laws-they'll use a gun, knife, truck, hammer, or baseball bat if they so desire to conflict harm.

    If drugs are bad, let's make them illegal so no one can ever use them...oh wait, that didn't work, crap.

    The hero that risked his own life to respond with his rifle had no idea what he was running into. A good guy with a bad gun? I thought we outlawed those.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-11-06 11:47:07   By: Anonymous
 
Its violence, regardless of the chosen tool. They are making a big deal over his vest, perhaps his choice of undergarments has bearing too?

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-11-06 12:27:59   By: Anonymous
 
These gun control nuts have become so intentionally ignorant and Pavlovian, there is no longer any point in debating with them .
As they say in Texas, " bless your little hearts".

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-11-06 13:30:33   By: Anonymous
 
The shooter was not brown; no policy changes needed.

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    White Means Right
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 18:49:41   By: Anonymous
     
    Yes, white is right!

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Update
Posted on: 2017-11-06 16:01:54   By: Anonymous
 
10. The Air Force failed as required by law to submit the shooters name to the FBI. He was able to purchase the AR15. Gross inefficiency. Kind of like running into merchant ships in the South China Sea and killing sailors. Hope the hell we don't have to go to all out war. I don't think we are capable of a "rise to the occasion" moment as in Pearl Harbor.

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    Re: Update
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 16:29:05   By: Anonymous
     
    The truck that killed all the people in New York show that it is Mental Health but the Democrats and Liberal once again want to use a bad situation to make a gun grab. This is why there not in the White House.

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    Re: Update
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 17:24:46   By: Anonymous
     
    It was an Ruger-AR556. And he lied on his back-ground check to get the gun. Criminals break the law, people. That is what makes the gun control argument so silly.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-11-06 17:47:01   By: Anonymous
 
I see the gun crazies are out in force. Rant on boys. We've heard it all before, but sensible gun control is coming your way.

And, BTW, you'll still be able to own your guns. Just no bump stocks and universal background checks. Not too much to ask.

And, yes, I know this most recent killer passed his background check because the Air Force screwed up. I'm worried about tomorrow's killers.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 19:29:09   By: Anonymous
     
    Just by reading your post it is obvious who the real gun crazies are.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-11-07 06:57:24   By: Anonymous
       
      Another content-free response. This is why you will lose - you don't have actual reasons to resist the sensible gun control proposals I listed.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2017-11-07 07:19:19   By: Anonymous
         
        Ok, Hitler.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 19:32:30   By: Anonymous
     
    Question number one on the universal background check should be are you a lefty liberal. If yes, then denied. Mass shooting problem solved.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-11-07 06:59:47   By: Anonymous
       
      There have been no mass shootings in which the shooter was identified as a "lefty liberal." When you post stupid things, people will conclude you are stupid. This does not help your argument.

      Please try to do better next time.

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#11
Posted on: 2017-11-06 18:42:18   By: Anonymous
 
Just reported, Chicago just reached its 600th homocide. No. Big deal. Thanks Dem Major Emmanuel, your efforts are appreciated.!!!! Common sense gun control? Yeh right!!!

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    Re: #11
    Posted on: 2017-11-06 20:12:56   By: Anonymous
     
    Why can't the inbreds even spell
    Thats right
    They only got through 6th grade before their inbred "Dad" told them to sign up for the dole, and that was that
    Take a free handout and blame it on the Dems
    Just the way it is if you you are an inbred ,ignorant, racist,womanizing POS

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      Re: #11
      Posted on: 2017-11-06 20:19:29   By: Anonymous
       
      I woke up this morning. Strapped on my Glock ccw as I always do and made sure to donate $300 to the NRA.

      Gun grabbers are out on this one, they don't care if its mental so spend some cash at your local gun store. Donate to the NRA and BUY AMMO!

      God bless America.

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        Re: #11
        Posted on: 2017-11-06 20:30:21   By: Anonymous
         
        A guy with a gun stopped this lunatic. He would have killed even more people if someone wouldnt have shot and killed him.

        Why is that so hard to understand?

        Its pretty much proven that many if not ALL of the mass shooters are Dem's
        Unstable people.



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          Re: #12
          Posted on: 2017-11-06 22:09:12   By: Anonymous
           
          If only they had one of those things.

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          Re: #11
          Posted on: 2017-11-07 07:04:06   By: Anonymous
           
          "Its pretty much proven that many if not ALL of the mass shooters are Dem's" Looking past the unneeded apostrophe, the statement is untrue. Just another right-wing LIE. Trump has made lying the major identifying characteristic of the right-wing, so you fit right in.

          A true statement would be that all mass shooters are gun owners. So that is where our focus needs to be.

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            Re: #11
            Posted on: 2017-11-07 07:18:48   By: Anonymous
             
            You are so dumb it is scary.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-11-07 07:30:51   By: Anonymous
 
All anti-gunners should post signs in their front yards proclaiming that this is a gun free home.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-11-07 17:45:02   By: Anonymous
     
    All the non-regulation gun owners should post a sign in front of their trailer saying, "intellectual free zone."

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      Impeachable Offense
      Posted on: 2017-11-08 10:05:17   By: Anonymous
       
      For those of you who like to follow the law and not act based on snowflake emotion....

      Anyone ever read the U.S.Constitution? You know that thin little document that CA ignores?

      Check out Article 1, Section 10: "No State shall enter into Agreement with a foreign power."

      Sorry Gov Brow, you have committed yet another impeachable offense with China, Russia, Canada, and now Europe. Brown can make deals with Russia, isn't that frowned upon since they meddled in the election which robbed Hillary of her righteous puppet strings?

      Unlike the emotional plea to impeach Trump because he is rude & mean, impeaching Brown has substance.

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Guns are Bad & Scary!!!!!!!!!
Posted on: 2017-11-09 18:40:47   By: Anonymous
 
As a Snowflake who moved from San Francisco to the peaceful Country of Calaveras County, I am appalled by all the horrible people here who own disgusting guns. I just want to sit in peace and sip on my Starbucks and update my FB page so all my bay area friends see how lovely and calm my life is. But you rednecks can't rely on the government to protect you, can't trust intruders to spare your life, can't have faith in humanity that ALL people are genuinely good. I will just huddle with other like minded peaceful sheep, while you gun totin' country folk take care of yourself!


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