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Posted by: thepinetree on 08/25/2017 02:16 PM Updated by: thepinetree on 08/25/2017 02:16 PM
Expires: 01/01/2022 12:00 AM
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On Marijuana Regulation vs Ban ~ Letter to Editor By Sarah Kancianich

San Andreas, CA...Dear Calaveras, I am publishing this letter after doing much research and inquiry into the pros and cons of the current proposed ban ordinance. This topic is extremely polarizing. On one end of the pole you have the “banners”, people who just don't like it. On the other end you have the growers, legal and illegal, advocating for their right to cultivate. It’s controversial to say you support regulation because then you give the impression that you are a marijuana advocate. The fact is, you can be anti-marijuana and support regulation.





35 members of the Board of Supervisors ran and were elected on a ban platform. Upon taking office they replaced a permanent regulatory ordinance plan with a ban ordinance plan, neither of which have been formally adopted. The BOS has the final say so and is expected to vote soon. No date has been given. If the ban passes through the BOS it will be signed into law 30 days later. Legal growers will be given 90 days to abate and return their property to the original environmental condition it was in prior to cultivation. Legal meaning, growers who have complied with local laws and paid related fees. Illegal growers will not be affected; the majority of grows in our community are illegal. These grows are where the bulk of the problems lie. Problems like pollution, noise, smell, gangs, etc. Banning marijuana doesn't actually fix anything. The ban produces no solutions or alternative sources of income to provide the community with the resources it needs to eradicate illegal grows.

What Regulation does: Works out a resolution with individual supervisorial districts regarding land use. Potentially gets farms out of rural residential areas, allows for minimum setbacks and acreage stipulations. Persons in RR areas who grow could apply to have their property rezoned. Regulation allows the county to collect registration fees and taxes from registered growers. Totalling in the tens of millions (modestly). These monies can then be used by our local law enforcement to eradicate illegal operations, enforce code violations, and hire more law enforcement. As of today, we have 11 unfilled deputy positions and our officers get paid 27%
less than those in neighboring jurisdictions. Measure C funds (money from taxes on cannabis production) could be used to help fund public education and infrastructure projects. This income source can only exist through a regulatory ordinance. Regulation means economic prosperity, environmental protection, and public safety.

My hope is to engage a segment of the community that remains silent or disengaged. Speak up friends. We all have a stake in this! Feel free to contact me if you'd like to get involved. Just saying you support responsible regulation can help us band together. Don't be afraid to say you support prosperity.

Sincerely, Sarah Kancianich
yellowearl123@gmail.com


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Legal/Illegal
Posted on: 2017-08-25 14:40:35   By: Anonymous
 
If they are Legal let them grow , if they are Illegal throw them in Jail and take everything they own.

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    Re: Legal/Illegal
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 15:05:57   By: Anonymous
     
    Great take on this situation. Thanks for your clear position. I agree to regulate this industry and use the land use or zoning to enforce the rules adopted by the board

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:18:11   By: Anonymous
       
      excellent,concise and right on!--I agree with support for legal regulation--and added dollars to the county benefit.

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        Re: Legal/Illegal
        Posted on: 2017-08-25 18:35:20   By: Anonymous
         
        We are with you. The numbers are in and any supervisor who would turn down this kind of opportunity for this county is incompetent or brain-dead.

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        Re: Legal/Illegal
        Posted on: 2017-08-26 22:53:21   By: Anonymous
         
        Well written and entire false. None of Sarah's claims are based in fact, unfortunately - and we can prove it after one year of this experimental mess.

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          Re: Legal/Illegal
          Posted on: 2017-08-28 08:33:30   By: Anonymous
           
          If you can 'prove' something, then please do so. Otherwise, STFU with your ridiculous innuendo and assumptions...



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    Re: Legal/Illegal
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 15:10:05   By: Anonymous
     
    Ban them all! I used to have a beautiful view of the canyon. I used the enjoy the stars. Now all I see are huge hoop houses and lights all night long! They run motors, generators, shoot guns all night long! This is a "legal" grow! Ban them all!

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 15:53:19   By: Anonymous
       
      My understanding of current cannabis regulations states the a cannabis grower can legally purchase a firearm but cannot have a firearm on a legal cultivation site. Technically this would be a violation or noncompliance, in poor mans English, illegal grower.

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        Re: Legal/Illegal
        Posted on: 2017-08-27 15:23:09   By: Anonymous
         
        This is incorrect. Anyone who has anything at all to do with marijuana, including a medical patient or caregiver who owns a medical card, is prohibited from owning any kind of firearm. This is Federal law. Go ahead. Fact check.

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 15:58:02   By: Anonymous
       
      This is the issue IMO. I don't know if your post is accurate or not (because I don't know who you are), but I have had several friends complain about these issues and the smell of large grows.

      My understanding of the law is that if you move in next to a pig farm, then that's your problem. The pigs were there first, so if you don't like them, don't move next door. But if a pig farm moves in next to you, then that's a problem for the pig farm. It seems to me that the current situation with marijuana grows is similar to the second case.

      I would be interested in informed opinions on whether the BOS could establish zoning that would allow grows but only in areas sufficiently remote that neighbors are not affected or only very minimally affected. If the smell is strong this might be quite hard to do.

      Gun fire at night is unacceptable and is surely already illegal. You should call that in. Even during the day gun fire that disturbs neighbors is, well, un-neighborly. Legal growers who expect any support from the community should shape up.

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        Re: Legal/Illegal
        Posted on: 2017-08-27 22:41:09   By: Anonymous
         
        After a long time researching, I am convinced that the applicant and registered growers cannot and/or will not "shape up," at least the ones here in Calaveras County. The examples of issues are too numerous to detail here.

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      Re: Legal/Illegal.
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:14:49   By: Anonymous
       
      Ban them all! I used to have a beautiful view of the canyon. I used the enjoy the stars. Now all I see are huge bouncy-houses, and free pony rides, and low -riders in the streets, and a guy selling corn on the cob, smothered in mayo.

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        Re: Legal/Illegal.
        Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:36:54   By: Anonymous
         
        i love corn on the cob with jalapeno-spiced mayo right after i take a few tokes. friend introduced me in college. i think he was a young republican or maybe a john bircher. they sure know how to live the good life!

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-26 08:15:16   By: Anonymous
       
      I've called, I've complained, I've taken photos from my deck both during the day and at night and sent them with my complaint. Sheriff's do nothing!

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-26 10:01:46   By: Anonymous
       
      TURN THEM INTO CODE COMPLIANCE!!! It is up to neighbors to be proactive and hold them to the letter of the Urgency Ordinance. It is your responsibility. Don't depend on any county representative. Grow a pair.

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        Re: Legal/Illegal
        Posted on: 2017-08-26 22:52:31   By: Anonymous
         
        You grow a pair. It is not a citizens responsibility to enforce something for which we did not and do not want. No more of this costly mess.

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    Re: Legal/Illegal
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 16:12:30   By: Anonymous
     
    I have not met a single solitary grower, legal or not, whose primary interest isn't money, the environment and our county isn't that important

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 16:16:44   By: Anonymous
       
      There is an illegal grow on June avenue in wilseyville, follow the signs, the neighbors have it all mapped out for you

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 16:36:54   By: Anonymous
       
      who in their right mind would spend thousands of dollars to be legal, jump through all the county regulations, and then at the end of the day sit back and say, "with any luck, we will lose all our money". this is their livelihood. of course they want to make money. it's not greed, it's about feeding their family.

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        Re: Legal/Illegal
        Posted on: 2017-08-26 22:55:16   By: Anonymous
         
        Know that no one forced you to become a grower of marijuana in a county that bans it. Luckily you get to make choices.

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      Re: Legal/Illegal
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:39:16   By: Anonymous
       
      Who the hell would be so dumb to grow marijuana and not be in it for the money? That would be like going to work at treats' store just because it is fun.

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    Re: Legal/Illegal
    Posted on: 2017-08-26 19:25:17   By: Anonymous
     
    The only difference between legal and illegal growers is the permit, so its the same as someone who builds a car port with out a permit, they don't put you in jail or take your house. They need to ban all cultivation permitted or not

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-08-25 16:11:41   By: Anonymous
 
PARAQUAT, THE WHOLE DAMN MESS! Legal growers That I have talked to are moving their goods at nite, one informed me that he made 1 million off his crop last year and paid no taxes! MEDICAL, MY ASS, just park yourself in a window seat at MCDONALD'S around dusk, and watch the sheet come out of the brush on Dogtown Road! Sheriff, if your serious and not just blowing smoke, go after the big grows out Pennsylvania Gulch, if you don't we know this whole eradication of illegal grows is a farce!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:02:02   By: Anonymous
     
    Dang, so you're so bored that you're posted up peeping McDonalds at random hours watching folks huh!? Must suck to be you!

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:16:08   By: Anonymous
       
      ^ Gloop.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2017-08-26 08:22:19   By: Anonymous
         
        F U GLOOP

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:46:18   By: Anonymous
     
    Amen, then shoot them for good measure.

    Make and examples of a couple a dozen, and the rest will fold their tent.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-26 08:44:11   By: Anonymous
     
    I agree that the area of Penn Gulch/Skunk Ranch Road outside Murphys has many large grows, and they are not on the list of those that applied for a permit so are illegal. You can see them just be using Google Earth so the sheriff does not need expensive methods to find a lot of illegal grows but they are still there. Also, this area of Murphys has more illegal grows starting up and I am suspicious that they may be ones shut down somewhere else who are just moving their plants here. Regulation sounds nice but does not help those of us who have grows around us now that actually applied for a permit but have not been processed yet and also with the illegal grows that keep sprouting up. We did not purchase our homes years ago to have this around us now

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    PARAQUATRe:
    Posted on: 2017-08-26 13:52:12   By: Anonymous
     
    You are an idiot

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McDonalds?
Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:20:35   By: Anonymous
 
You are McCreepy

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    Re: McDonalds?
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:29:50   By: Anonymous
     
    I am an elderly woman who no longer enjoys sex.

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      Re: McDonalds- peeping?
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:33:23   By: Anonymous
       
      That's icky.

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      Re: McDonalds?
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:41:29   By: Anonymous
       
      that's because you never did reefer madness when you were young. i hear doctors think that is what is fundamentally wrong with most republicans.

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      Re: McDonalds?
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 21:20:49   By: Anonymous
       
      Its too bad you feel that way Clyde Clapp.

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        Re: McDonalds?
        Posted on: 2017-08-26 08:28:46   By: Anonymous
         


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          Re: McDonalds?
          Posted on: 2017-08-26 10:08:07   By: Anonymous
           
          Are you talking about that little old sawed off thing that speaks every BOS meeting during public comment? You know, the one with her hair piled up on top of her head? The one that talks about things dropping out of pot smokers female bodies? What a great public representative, a cross section, of the ban group. Keep up the good work crazy lady.

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            Crazy-Lady
            Posted on: 2017-08-28 22:51:16   By: Anonymous
             
            Does she exhibit any signs of super-human power?

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:39:52   By: Anonymous
 
Thank you Sarah and you make a good points to support regulations on marijuana. Makes sense to me.

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    Re: Sarah
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:44:52   By: Anonymous
     
    So how's your Sister?

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      Re: Sarah
      Posted on: 2017-08-26 08:34:17   By: Anonymous
       
      She's fine thank you for asking but she's knocked up again number 8 in the basket.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 20:38:06   By: Anonymous
     
    Serious research? There is only 5 Supervisors, not 35. Do you comprehend the English language?

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      Re: 35
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 23:22:11   By: Anonymous
       
      I think it was a mis print and should have been 3 out of 5. Good piece and well written. The illegal grows will never leave. Ban and all legal grows will fold, you will have no funding to erradicate the on registered and thing will get bad and very embarrasing for the county

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-08-28 08:19:33   By: Anonymous
       
      It's called "Math", not "English". Apparently you are operating on a "learning curve" yourself...................

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-08-25 17:47:08   By: Anonymous
 
Sarah, you have manure for brains.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-25 18:41:40   By: Anonymous
     
    At least she has brains! She wrote a well-articulated post, while most of the nonsense that passes for rebuttal are mostly comprised of childish ad hominems.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 20:05:11   By: Anonymous
       
      You no what everyone shut the F up & get a real job! I really don't care what anyone of you think you can all kiss my !

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        Re: You no what everyone shut the F up & get a real job!
        Posted on: 2017-08-26 13:55:37   By: Anonymous
         
        Who are you Mr. who wants his ass kissed. Are you a homo sexual who is lonely or another unemployed local kook with nothing better to do but spout off in the comment section. Crawl back on the dirty sofa on your front porch

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-08-25 20:08:41   By: Anonymous
       
      Given that this crap is country wide it seems questionable that the county should even consider making commercial cultivation legal. Screw this medical marijuana bull crap.
      Any supervisor or previous supervisor should be ashamed of even trying to support this filth. (Guess who")


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        Re:
        Posted on: 2017-08-25 21:22:26   By: Anonymous
         
        El Cliffo is muy bueno.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2017-08-25 23:29:37   By: Anonymous
           
          Cliff es mas macho

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            Re: Damage Control
            Posted on: 2017-08-26 06:50:33   By: Anonymous
             
            When will the Pro-Pot folks, Sarah here included begin to tell us the real story and the real problems -- therefore the real solutions. This is your problem Pro-Potters you ignore the consequences and the real problems in everything you speak to so what you get is folks really that don't like you, and do not want you in there backyard! Facts and the Truth will get you a long-ways with folks, they are understanding, but ignoring the laws and the current environmental damage alone is enough to get you tossed. Man-up, be responsible, and come to the table with ideas and solutions that fix and repair the damages you have already caused!

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              Re: Damage Control
              Posted on: 2017-08-27 12:17:13   By: Anonymous
               
              Dear mr. Damage control, I assume English was not your Forte? As it very well shows also an inability of common sense. Yes only this issue and nothing else has caused environmental impacts in calaveras. Are you slow, ask yourself this one. Why do we all not have to have our vehicles smogged? Hmmm. Stinking cars plummeting exhaust throughout our towns, logging, vineyards, orchards, agricultural up the ass and use of pesticides? This thing called trinitas golf course an ecosystem destroyed with endangered species that was allowed to be done when all for what in the end? Bill Mcmanus was all for that, completely supportive of it. You are a hypocritical, blind idiot. I could keep making points but clearly whats the point, you wouldn't understand slowness comes with the territory round yonder.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-26 10:04:16   By: Anonymous
     
    Thats' not nice Mr. McAnus. Or is it Mr. Mills?

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      Re: McBanus and Mills
      Posted on: 2017-08-26 14:02:06   By: Anonymous
       
      Both of you are to ego driven to look at the real facts. Just lobby to change the zoning so you can actually enforce something. Ya, Ya, Mills you ran for your seat on the promise of a ban. Instead, if you really had any brains you would educate the constituents who voted for you, Ya the 1700 votes. A ban is a loss for the county and all the non registered grows will remain. Your petty attempts to eradicate will leave a vacuum for so many others to move in and start up, you will never cut it all down. Wise up and regulate with strict rules

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        Re: McBanus and Mills
        Posted on: 2017-08-26 16:41:54   By: Anonymous
         
        Mills is a lying sack!!!


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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-08-26 07:31:44   By: Anonymous
 
Well, once again it is proven that the people of Calaveras County are just too retarded to carry out a mature discussion of a complex issue. We don't need a citizenship test for residency, we need a literacy test. It would clear out about half the county.

Reading thepinetree is the best explanation you will ever get as to why Calaveras County has never amounted to anything and never will. Really disappointing.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-26 08:01:43   By: Anonymous
     
    Well written, Sarah. Your conclusion says it all:
    Support Prosperity.
    Our community will benefit from Regulated Commercial Cannabis Cultivation to the tune of 15 million dollars a year into the County Budget.
    This money will fund enforcement and improvement in our roads and creation of bike paths for the safety of our children.
    You don't have to consume cannabis to reap the benefits. A ban
    will make it so only criminals will farm cannabis in unsafe methods.
    Support Prosperity!



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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-08-27 15:26:03   By: Anonymous
       
      Commercial cultivation has cost us more than it has brought in. The notion of prosperity is false.

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2017-08-27 20:07:03   By: Anonymous
         
        Agree. Big money doesn't make it right. And no one seems to be listening to Colorado's experiences.

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No return
Posted on: 2017-08-26 11:24:04   By: Anonymous
 
We should wait and see what happens in other counties. With marijuana grows come needed medical MJ but with illegal grows come lawlessness and environmental and cultural destruction. It would be near to impossible to reverse an OK to grow. If you Ban now, there is the potential for allowing future grows. We should ban now and see what happens around us. Don't go to the point of no return before we get all the facts.

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    The Stench is Starting
    Posted on: 2017-08-26 13:07:45   By: Anonymous
     
    The mornings now are beginning to stink.
    It will only get worse.
    From now to November the County will be soaked in the stench of $.

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      Re: The law suits are in process
      Posted on: 2017-08-26 15:47:33   By: Anonymous
       
      You fools are in for it. Growers are going to use their money to have brilliant lawyers from Sacramento cause this county big problems. Mills you are one of the biggest ego driven fools I have ever witnessed in a public office. Clapp, you have made some critical errors that are scheduled to come back and it is going to sting. Stupid people who voted these two in. Ban it and all the extra people waiting will join the party you will create a higher price point and more grows. No more tax Money from Measure C to eradicate. No wonder so many other counties think Calaveras is back woods

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        Re: The law suits are in process
        Posted on: 2017-08-27 15:35:07   By: Anonymous
         
        You have just made your case. The lawsuits we already have are forcing the BOS to ban. It is the only way to stem the liability of litigation the money-grabbing and eco damage-inflicting growers are forcing us to endure this last year. Thank goodness the UO is temporary because it was a mistake.

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Feedback and Comments
Posted on: 2017-08-26 15:51:50   By: Anonymous
 
Some feedback on select statements:
"Upon taking office they replaced a permanent regulatory ordinance plan with a ban ordinance plan, neither of which have been formally adopted." The BoS has neither a permanent nor ban ordinance ready for approval. There is a 'draft' ban ordinance only. Public comment was taken on regulation as an alternative..
"The BOS. . . is expected to vote soon. No date has been given." If no date has been given, why do you claim the vote will occur soon?
"the majority of grows in our community are illegal." I don't believe this is a true statement. Source?
"Problems like pollution, noise, smell, gangs, etc." These issues occur with legal as well as illegal grows.
"(Regulation) Works out a resolution with individual supervisorial districts regarding land use." Not true. That was a option presented during public comment but it is not feasible per the BoS.
"Persons in RR areas who grow could apply to have their property rezoned." Geez. Those of us in RR don't want these commercial enterprises as neighbors. We did not move to the country only to have a business next door.
"Measure C funds (money from taxes on cannabis production)". Tax is not related to 'production'; only to the size of the registered grow site. Grower can have 1000 plants or 500 plants on 1/2 acre. They are still taxed on 1/2 acre.

We all understand money is a driver for all large growers. We also know they sold a % of the 2016 crop illegally; it did not all go for medicine. As the pot supply has increased in CA, the per plant profit has declined. Not sure of the price point that will cause illegals to quit because the risk/profit ratio is no longer favorable. Some legals may quit as well with reduced per plant profit.

Lots of decision points for each of us individually. I say . . . let your BoS Sup know your thoughts, both positive and negative. Without lots of input, they will make a decision based on the input of the few.

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    Re: Feedback and Comments
    Posted on: 2017-08-26 20:25:23   By: Anonymous
     
    The source for the statement that illegal grows outnumber legal grows comes from the County itself. If you have paid the least amount of attention over the last year, you would have read that there were approximately 770 registered grows (most of which were not in compliance) out of a total of an estimated 2100 total grows.

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      Re: Feedback and Comments
      Posted on: 2017-08-27 15:27:12   By: Anonymous
       
      Incorrect. There are not 770 permitted registered growers. There are very few permitted growers, a small fraction of this number. Fact check, please.

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        Re: Feedback and Comments
        Posted on: 2017-08-30 19:49:01   By: Anonymous
         
        I did not say there are 770 "permitted" grows. I said there were approximately 770 "registered" grows. That is the number the Planning Department provided to the County BOS at a public hearing. Since then, many or the "registered" growers were subsequently denied a "permit" because they were found to be out of compliance with the ordinance. What the actual number of compliant growers is I don't know. We haven't been told to my knowledge; however, it is certainly less than the number who registered. Does that satisfy your request for a "fact check?"

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          Re: Feedback and Comments
          Posted on: 2017-09-01 21:18:50   By: Anonymous
           
          Yes it does. Thank you for the clarification.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2017-08-26 22:51:39   By: Anonymous
 
So Sarah, it isn't that easy because "regulation" has not worked. You are not saying anything new. Here's what has happened in the past year: we have attracted more crime and in fact have more marijuana-related crime because of the impression we gave during this experiment that we are welcoming commercial marijuana. We have more environmental releases in this past year than all previous years combined (that is conservative). We have exposed more citizens, particularly children, to hazardous materials and hazardous waste due to the grows being in residential areas, and we have more safety issues due to this being a cash crop and folks running around with large wads of cash and storing large amounts of cash at their grows and places of residence and in their cars. We have an enormous debt now due to the large workload commercial marijuana has placed on our various county staff and agencies and a certain environmental damages bill that will last for years. Now what were you saying about prosperity?

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2017-08-27 08:32:19   By: Anonymous
     
    You are severely underestimating the amount of pot grown here before the fire. Sheriff Kuntz made public statements many times that they were only doing enforcement on federal land due to an agreement w/ the forest service.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2017-09-01 21:20:11   By: Anonymous
       
      Nope. I am aware marijuana was grown here previously.

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    Posted on: 2017-08-27 12:30:51   By: Anonymous
     
    The crime has not gone up, stop spewing bullsh.t Is that you alice? The use of words is pretty easy to assume so or someone just repeating her lies. People can actually call the police with there plants and not fear l.e. if an issue arrives that is the difference. We get it you hate pot heads scumbag dopers, growers of any kind because why dont you care about all the other industrial and agricultural polluants? Or leniency on other laws our county doesn't have enforced? Which is a good amount. Oh its for the kids, lol yeah sure. Xenophobic. hey we are the majority now you are the minority and don't you forget it. Move if you like, california doesn't like you anyway.. clearly.

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      Posted on: 2017-08-27 15:32:15   By: Anonymous
       
      First of all, this is not "Alice." Nothing of what I said is xenophobic. You (growers) are not in the majority. Just a few hundred of you have permits. It's too bad you cannot stick to the facts which are that you have cost us way more than anything you have brought in, you have polluted our streams and now our watershed, unfortunately, you use chemicals and fertilizers not permitted for commercial use, and you have caused us to be unsafe. You are not helpful. If you want your cash crop ,and want to continue to use fertilizers not permitted for commercial use, please go somewhere else. Better yet. find something else less polluting. Stop selling us sunshine and unicorns. We aren't buying.

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        Posted on: 2017-08-30 13:06:56   By: Anonymous
         
        Xenophobia, insanity combined. Nut bag you are sir, shove those unicorns in your bum bum willy billy!

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      Posted on: 2017-08-27 15:36:31   By: Anonymous
       
      Again, not Alice. Yes, in fact the crime has gone up. It's best if you just be truthful. Can you not do that?

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        Posted on: 2017-08-27 20:21:27   By: Anonymous
         
        Not a grower profiling ass hole. If you had some balls you'd have signed your name. Well, you proved my point fascist, you this you that .. you have a problem mentally, seek help propagandist. Again xenophobic sincerely R L. Garner

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          Posted on: 2017-08-27 20:30:29   By: Anonymous
           
          And why don't you take your own advice and leave, the good caring concerned resident of calaveras that you are. Oh the community but say such things to someone that simply disagrees. Another point made, good for you. Be proud of the sickness that lives within you. Bet you are a good Christian too. Lol, hey remember you are the minority we are the majority now, california citizens spoke. Get out yourself.

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            Posted on: 2017-08-27 22:47:42   By: Anonymous
             
            Ah - maybe. But in Calaveras County,Prop. 64 did not pass. So you are welcome to a) leave the county as you suggested or b) take up a different profession and c) educate yourself. A xenophobe is not someone who doesn't get hoodwinked into thinking commercial cultivation is o.k. What is the third "c" of commercial cultivation? "Crook"

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            Posted on: 2017-08-27 22:50:43   By: Anonymous
             
            Well, you aren't right about this. The pro-commercial bunch are the minority with just a fraction of the county going along with this profound and blatant crookedness. We are tired of being lied to, polluted, having our environment, health, and safety compromised, and our county time and money sucked dry by growers, not to mention our water. Commercial cultivation has done harm.

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              Posted on: 2017-08-28 07:49:11   By: Anonymous
               
              With no name you have no mind and no reason. Move out of California already, a) YOU ARE AN ASS HOLE PROFILING TRANSPLANT!b)IM NOT A GROW JUST NOT A BANNER.c) FASCIST ANTISEMITISM IS OF YOUR DEFINITION. GOOD GRIEF

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                Posted on: 2017-08-28 07:55:43   By: Anonymous
                 
                How pathetic of a person to make these comments at that time in the early morning when a person should be asleep. Hey seek help, there is more to life than the pine trees soap box section. Prop 64 passed regardless how you feel. California is no longer the place for you jerk, how about you leave? Calaveras is still part of the state are you fukin retarded?

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                  Posted on: 2017-08-28 22:57:19   By: Anonymous
                   
                  You can't make a cucumber out of just any old pickle.

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                  Posted on: 2017-09-01 21:23:31   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Wow, you have quite the way with words, more often than not, incorrect.

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                  Posted on: 2017-09-02 22:43:46   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Prop. 64 did not pass in Calaveras County. Are you confusing insults with facts?

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                    Posted on: 2017-09-05 12:17:54   By: Anonymous
                     
                    Prop 64 was a statewide ballot initiative. It passed, Calaveras is part of the state. The tired statement that 64 didn't pass Calaveras is moot.

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                      Posted on: 2017-09-08 16:26:51   By: Anonymous
                       
                      Amen! That's there go to excuse. It's time for these folk to pack up and plainly leave california. Since they refuse to move with the times, move elsewhere or I should just scream GET OUT as they have compulsively done.

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