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Posted by: News_Desk on 10/21/2016 05:27 PM Updated by: thepinetree on 10/21/2016 05:31 PM
Expires: 01/01/2021 12:00 AM
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Proposition 64 Endangers California Water Supply ~ Letter To The Editor By Donnasue Jacobi

San Andreas, CA...Dear Editor, I have something to say about the Proposition 64 Marijuana prop that’s on the ballot and as a Butte Fire survivor from this past summer, I am very concerned that NO ONE has addressed the issue of water resources in the Sierra Foothills where a great deal of it is grown. Where are the feasibility reports about the devastation to our water resources?

soapbox7


Many long time residents of Calaveras have had wells go dry because of all the pot growers around their ranches. Pot farms use a tremendous amount of water, give and throw off toxins to the grounds. But more important is that the oil from the leaves create an unbelievable destructive oil resin that helped spread the Butte Fire in Calaveras, Tuolumne and Amador counties.. When pot leaves catch fire they explode.

If Californians are worried about the effects of drought, they must consider the massive amounts of water that pot farms use. California cannot afford to legalize commercial pot. I’d like to know why no one has ever written anything about the detrimental effect of pot farms on California water resources that are dwindling every day.

The money that will be made for criminals and taxes cannot replace needed water.




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This one
Posted on: 2016-10-21 20:17:39   By: Anonymous
 
1a) "the oil from the leaves create an unbelievable destructive oil resin that helped spread the Butte Fire"

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    Re: This one
    Posted on: 2016-10-23 08:24:49   By: Anonymous
     
    This made me laugh hard, thank you Donnasue! You really should stick to taking pictures of dogs and making scrapbooks instead of public opinion posts.

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and this one...
Posted on: 2016-10-21 20:18:31   By: Anonymous
 
1b)"When pot leaves catch fire they explode."


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    Re: and let's not forget this one...
    Posted on: 2016-10-21 20:21:18   By: Anonymous
     
    1c)" Marijuana roots tangle young teen-age girls legs so they can't make it to the school bus, then cross pollenate with them, thus creating a mutant strain of human-cannabis"

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      Re: and let's not forget this one...
      Posted on: 2016-10-22 08:18:28   By: Anonymous
       
      Evil is as evil does....

      At least you are starting to wake up to the myriad of scourge that dope brings.

      There is hope for you yet!

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        Re: and let's not forget this one...
        Posted on: 2016-10-22 11:10:45   By: Anonymous
         
        A wet growing cannabis plant is no more flammable than a pile of fresh lawn clippings, go on believe this tripe, but it's 100% inaccurate .

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Lady, you trippin'
Posted on: 2016-10-21 20:23:28   By: Anonymous
 
You are entitled to your opinion but if you are going to present it publicly, you might want to substantiate your claims with actual evidence.Your well might be dry because of proximal agriculture, but it might be dry because there is a long term drought in this part of the country. Wells went dry ALL OVER THE STATE, so.... the majority of instances suggest its the general lack of water everywhere, caused by the drought, not the proximal agricultural activities.

Cannabis resin exploding and spreading the fire??? Unlikely. Why would such a well watered crop be so flammable?? Its not. In fact, because the property owners had well cleared lots, many cannabis operations survived the Butte Fire. Firefighters defend defensible space. More likely it was the pine trees, oak trees, chaparral, and other actually flammable, native, and poorly managed species that surround the homes in this fire adapted ecosystem that spread the fire.

And criminals? Criminals are involved in all sorts of things. You can't single out cannabis a wave your fearsome "criminals" flag. Maybe you should go out and get to know a few people in your neighborhood who want to make a living growing cannabis commercially. People are nice, people are making choices about growing things that grow well here, cannabis farmers are people too. Vote to regulate if you are so afraid of criminals, they will grow anyway, even with a ban, because they have less to lose, and with a ban the county won't have money to regulate. Vote to tax if you don't see a benefit otherwise, show up at supervisor meetings and lobby for a cause you think will benefit the community. When have you ever heard of a group of people who want to be taxed, and taxed mightily- take advantage of that.

You going to freak out on thepinetree if more vineyards go in? more subdivisions? You live in California ladydude, its a drought state.


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    Re: Lady, you trippin'
    Posted on: 2016-10-21 20:53:07   By: Anonymous
     
    You've got to forgive her, she was dropped a lot as a baby.

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      Re: Lady, you trippin'
      Posted on: 2016-10-21 21:05:19   By: Anonymous
       
      Hey. I wrote the post you replied to and you are just mean.
      What an unproductive and mean thing to say about someone.
      At least her post had some substance and purpose and gives us all something to think about, however much we might disagree.



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        Re: Lady, you trippin'
        Posted on: 2016-10-21 22:13:57   By: Anonymous
         
        You "wrote" the post, yet you refer again to the Poster as "her", which is it? did you post it, or did your wife. perhaps??

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    Re: Lady, you trippin'
    Posted on: 2016-10-22 08:19:05   By: Anonymous
     
    There is no drought.

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      Re: Lady, you trippin'
      Posted on: 2016-10-24 20:36:37   By: Anonymous
       
      I'm starting to doubt there's an equator.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-10-22 00:12:58   By: Anonymous
 
Keep writing lady, you are helping our cause. This was the funniest thing I've ever read, in these funny papers (pinetree).

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    Re: Huh.
    Posted on: 2016-10-22 01:29:10   By: Anonymous
     
    You learn a lot of things here on the Pinetree.

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      Re: Huh.
      Posted on: 2016-10-22 06:56:09   By: Anonymous
       
      I'm inclined to suspect that as an election approaches and signage pollution increases, the ones that have the most and largest signs promoting their cause are the ones to vote against.
      Like Proposition D.

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        Re: Huh.
        Posted on: 2016-10-22 07:00:58   By: Anonymous
         
        Just remember that even if the pot legislation passes, Counties can decide their own fate as far as commercial grows so please help those of us who are living adjacent to these awful grows by voting yes on C, No on D and YES on a BAN on commercial grows. Oh how I miss the smell of the beautiful foothills in the summer evenings....We are CALAVERAS county NOT CANNABIS county!!!!!!!

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          5 Years of Drought Water Back
          Posted on: 2016-10-22 07:43:28   By: Anonymous
           
          I have nine artesian springs. last Summer , one that feeds a water trough started dripping, it lost it's stream, the first time in 26 years.
          After one normal wet season (2015-16) , the water stream into the trough remained the same up to now, despite all the water pumped for pot.

          The growers are taking large amounts of water. In my area with many growers and high water use, it didn't seem to affect artesian springs which do indicate water table health.

          A seasonal stream I watch near me had water pools until late Summer, another indicator of aquifer levels.

          These examples are only for my area, but does mean something.

          The NOAA ENSO forecast for this Winter shows neutral, not El Nino or La Nina as was predicted.El Nino usually has higher than normal precipitation, La Nino drier.
          The forecast from Pacific temperature buoy data shows a neutral, or normal Pacific temperature for this Winter which usually predicts normal precipitation .

          If we do have another normal amount of precip , it would help recharge our aquifers, which did obvious recover just from one normal season last Winter., at least in my locale.

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            Re: 5 Years of Drought Water Back
            Posted on: 2016-10-22 07:48:20   By: Anonymous
             
            NO ON D, YES ON C. Passing of D will ruin the county forever. Please stop the insanity and vote n on d.

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            Re: 5 Years of Drought Water Back
            Posted on: 2016-10-22 08:04:58   By: Anonymous
             
            How about building more water storage in the mountains? The same people that want to use the water want to make sure no more dams are built so they raft the white water?? Does that make any frickin sense to anyone? We need more storage to keep up with demand. Letting all the rain water to rush into the ocean or send in to LA makes very little if any sense. I understand that we need water released into the delta so we don't allow salt water incursion. Storing water is one key to the issues we face.

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              Re: 5 Years of Drought Water Back
              Posted on: 2016-10-22 15:26:50   By: Anonymous
               
              It doesn't matter how high you make the dam if there is no water to fill up the reservoir!

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          Re: Huh.
          Posted on: 2016-10-22 08:21:02   By: Anonymous
           
          Vote No on C and D!

          Fight the poisoners.

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            Re: Huh.-funny
            Posted on: 2016-10-22 21:17:47   By: Anonymous
             
            I scoured the inter-webs for Prop C, and found NOTHING?

            How am I supposed to vote on something that does not even endorse itself?

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              Re: Huh.-funny
              Posted on: 2016-10-25 14:59:01   By: Anonymous
               
              it's called measure c. you might have learned that if the "inter-webz" had taken you to the county's election page. on the other hand i think maybe you should stay home on the 8th.

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          Re: Huh.
          Posted on: 2016-10-23 23:17:45   By: Anonymous
           
          Dingo ding din winner winner Chicken Dinner

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water resources
Posted on: 2016-10-22 09:32:53   By: Anonymous
 
People have addressed the issue of water resources. By regulating, the commercial farms will be subject to all state water restrictions AND EPA regulations. If they are banned, illegal farmers will do whatever they please with little county and state funding and resources to get rid of them. This is written into the long form of both Prop 64 and Prop D.
Everyone is absolutely entitled to their own opinion, but if the research is done on the side you are against you will likely find the answers you seek. Sadly people typically only read resources related to the side they already plan on voting for so they don't have a well-rounded view of the issue.


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    Re: water resources
    Posted on: 2016-10-22 21:56:49   By: Anonymous
     
    “By regulating, the commercial farms will be subjected to all state water restrictions AND EPA regulations.”
    I don’t see any value in this statement for those of us whose wells are already going dry from the pumping of the “legal” growers that are on the published listing. I am surrounded by “legal” growers and I have another neighbor who is just waiting for prop D to pass so that they can start growing. More growers means more pumping and my well already goes dry!! The amount of water they use is obscene and every person concerned about the environment or water resources should be extremely upset.
    Have you seen those “Use Water Wisely” signs that are all around? I know of one on the corner of a major road and a private roadway. About a quarter of a mile down the private road is a huge greenhouse grow. They are “legal”. They are on the listing. Use water wisely my patootie. Why should anyone use water wisely when the growers just keep pumping and pumping and pumping. Those signs are a joke.
    And I would think that the current approved “legal” growers are right now subject to all state water restrictions and EPA regulations. I mean the BOS made them legal and the BOS does not have any authority to override state water restrictions or EPA regulations. Does it make any difference? Hell no, they just use as much water as they want to and nobody cares…not the State Department of Water Resources, not the EPA, not EBMUD, not the BOS, nobody. Passing D would just expand the pumping as more “legal” grows start up, and do nothing to limit it.


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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-10-30 20:37:19   By: Anonymous
 
We don’t need Prop 7. There is already and ordinance and pot farms. Cannabis is a good source of medical pain medication but is detrimental as a narcotic and a stimulus for criminal activity. Let’s vote no on 7 and let the Board of Supervisors adjust their ordinance when and if it is necessary.

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