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Posted by: thepinetree on 10/12/2016 10:16 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 10/12/2016 10:16 AM
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My Two Cents, For What It's Worth! ~ Letter To The Editor By Doug Shinn

Arnold, CA...Thank you Merita, Barden and others for bringing Measure D forward. Both D and C may seem complicated. However when you boil this down it's quite simple and does make good sense. This is written in order to give our County command, control and income over a defined land use, the cultivation of cannabis. And if State prop 64 passes that will allow personal use (and polls say it will) then it becomes even more imperative to be ahead of the curve. A yes vote does not mean you condone, promote or use cannabis for any reason, medical or personal. It just means that you recognize the reality that it's here and should be controlled and taxed. Like any other land use.

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So simply put, do you want it regulated or unregulated? Do you want taxes into the County coffers or not? The County has already accepted about $4 million in permit fees so far. And future income will be considerable. The measure is very simply written and gives the County direction to regulate cannabis cultivation within "authorized zones". To control the issuing of licenses and use permits and enforce all other rules and regulations that the County has . In other words the County will fully regulate and control cultivation using all their standards and requirements that exist under law. And if we know government that's a large stack of regulations that must be complied with. I think this will separate the good actors from the bad and give law enforcement a much clearer and more well defined direction.

Read both measures and D and C on page 6 of the sample ballot. Both are very concise!!

This is clearly history repeating itself with past issues of alcohol prohibition. Ultimately people wanted it, government now carefully and strictly regulates it and reaps big revenues from it. All the police powers in this country couldn't stop it. You don't drink, no problem, and the controls and taxes benefit us all.

Many may not like it, but this product is an industry in its infancy, here now and more to come. Either regulated and taxed by measure D and C or we go back to the Wild Wild West with the outlaws outnumbering the Sherrifs.

Change is hard. Think logically and be practical. The Stockton Record has an eye opening article on the subject. Millions of dollars in venture capitol is moving into California and this "industry". Delivery systems are being debated, it's not "if" it's when.

Blindly voting NO is not going to help, sorry it's just reality. Supporting a future ban won't work either.

Common sense rules and regulations can and will work for all of us. Clarity at every level is imperative.

The tax flow can and will make a big difference. Like it or not Calaveras County has already taken steps to more successfully control and tax this land use. This is the next best step.

I urge you to do this, get involved, ask questions, become informed. This is just my opinion today, I reserve the right to modify it at any time.

Thank you,
Doug Shinn


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Thank you
Posted on: 2016-10-12 10:54:56   By: Anonymous
 
What rationality! Breath of fresh air on this site that is so congested with the opinions of backward thinking folks yesteryear. A ban means the very people you all Don't Want cultivating Will. Vote yes for smart regulation!! Vote yes for much needed tax revenue!!

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    Re: Thank you
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 13:12:18   By: Anonymous
     
    NOTE THE HIGH DOLLAR PRINTED ADS HERE ON THE PINETREE ADVOCATING YES ON D. NOTE THE HIGH DOLLAR COLORED ADS AT THE TOP OF EVERY ONLINE PAGE OF THE ENTERPRISE. NOTE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING TO YES ON D FROM OUT OF THE AREA. NOTE THE OUT OF COUNTY LAW FIRM REPRESENTING YES ON D. THINK ABOUT IT..WHY ARE THEY SO INTERESTED? I'LL TELL YOU WHY. THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND MINE THE COUNTY FOR EVERYTHING ITS WORTH. COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY. VOTE NO ON D

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    Re: Thank you
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 19:59:30   By: Anonymous
     
    Thank you, Doug Shinn for putting the issues so clearly.
    Measure D allows regulation so that the "good growers" can exist and pay taxes so the "bad growers" can be put in jail.




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    Re: Thank you
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 20:42:24   By: Anonymous
     
    Who the #*# is Doug Shinn and what are his qualifications to speak on the issue?


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      Re: Thank you
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 21:46:48   By: Anonymous
       
      Real Estate Broker in Arnold, does not live next to a grow, has no idea what us non growers living next to commercial grows are dealing with. We do not need to increase the size of commercial grows, they need to be banned..... Doug is just looking at the money, greedy at the expense of others......

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No on Measure D and Yes on Measure C
Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:08:41   By: Anonymous
 
Measure D is going to expose this county to more registrations and going to be allowed in our Commercial districts. There is no protections for environmental and our watershed. It removes the need for environmental impact. There is no enforcement in place. There falsely advertising that it will protect Calaveras.
Doug when you move into Residential Rural neighborhoods and the growing is next to you and the crime. Then maybe, your voice would have some validity!

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    Re: No on Measure D and Yes on Measure C
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 13:03:06   By: Anonymous
     
    You must not be concerened about the countys future health, and how it will look Doug. Your's is a Pollyannish view of the results of a yes on d. Be realistic Doug. Plus I would imagine you live on a nice 1/4 acre lot in arnold. Move to District 2 and see what you have to deal with on a daily basis. In the meantime.....get real.
    No on D

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Wells Going Dry
Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:20:20   By: Anonymous
 
What about those of us who have lived here for years and are seeing our wells go dry from the excessive pumping? What do you say to us Doug? Just our tough luck?

VOTE NO ON D, YES ON C AND SUPPORT THE BAN!

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    Re: Wells Going Dry
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:28:25   By: Anonymous
     
    I agree, NO on D, YES on C and sign the petition to ban. 770 grows are given the go ahead plus all the illegal grows. Where is the water coming from? Where are the pesticides going? And to have a grow right next to a residential community is just wrong. Do we want the constant hum of a generator? I don't think so.

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      Re: Wells Going Dry
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:42:04   By: Anonymous
       
      Question:

      If this is truly about water conservation, then why single out cannabis as a commodity? Why not single out almonds, grapes, citrus fruit, walnuts, or many other crops which have been conclusively and factually proven to consume orders of magnitude more water than cannabis?

      Answer:

      Because you have an agenda...



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        Re: Wells Going Dry
        Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:59:28   By: Anonymous
         
        It is not JUST about water, it is about increased crime, noise pollution, chemical pollution, increased accidents on the roads, and safety of families who simply want to enjoy the tranquility of mountain life. And not to mention the smell of skunk that now permeates Calaveras County.

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          Re: Wells Going Dry
          Posted on: 2016-10-12 21:55:33   By: Anonymous
           
          I get physically sick from the stench from the three commercial grows next to my property. Grapes, fruit trees, even cattle ranches have never caused the issues that the stench alone causes. Can't open my windows and can't afford to run my air conditioning to cool my house on a continuous basis. The grows are a nuisance, they have caused increased traffic on non county maintained roads, causing dust issues, erosion and when winter comes the rain will bring huge ruts. VOTE NO ON D.....

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        Re: Wells Going Dry
        Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:19:40   By: Anonymous
         
        Listen if I was surrounded by new vineyards pumping tons of water, I'd be complaining about it. The fact is that it is the new cannabis growers who are pumping tons of water and causing wells to go dry. Just our tough luck huh?

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          Re: Wells Going Dry
          Posted on: 2016-10-12 13:59:46   By: Anonymous
           
          You realize we're in a drought right? Tuolumne county has had hundreds of wells go dry; its a serious problem over there. Orders of magnitude worse then Calaveras. Since they banned commercial cultivation; where's your correlation?

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            Re: Wells Going Dry
            Posted on: 2016-10-12 15:33:09   By: Anonymous
             
            My correlation is that mysteriously after they harvested my well started to give me more water...funny how that happened. They turned off their pumps and wonderously I know have a functioning well again! That's my correlation...

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Cannabis County, California
Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:24:08   By: Anonymous
 
That's what we should change our name to if Measure D passes Doug. It is all about GREED, nothing else. Oh you sound so sweet and rational, but do you live surrounded by these "legal" grows like many of us? Do you fear to walk your own property lines because you might get shot by a "legal" grower? Do you have to tell your kids that they can't play outside because the police say they can't protect you? VOTE NO ON D, YES ON C AND SUPPORT THE BAN!!!

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    Re: Cannabis County, California
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:42:45   By: Anonymous
     
    Derp

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      Re: Cannabis County, California
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:34:17   By: Anonymous
       
      It's true, prod D wipes-out medical cannabis, and my rights to grow a dozen plants, no on D, no on 64!

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Deceptive
Posted on: 2016-10-12 11:45:25   By: Anonymous
 
Despite what you say Doug, Measure D is very deceptive.

It allows more grows, it adds manufacturing, distribution, transportation, nurseries, and dispensing.

Decriminalizing the use of marijuana is one issue, that doesn't mean we have to become a mecca for growers. The environment impact alone should be cause for alarm. And add the crime factor on top of that.

It comes down to this: what type of county do you want to live in? Is this what you wanted when you moved here? Is this the area you'd now pick to retire in? Other counties are banning the growing and so should we. Let them grow it in the SF Bay area if they want it so much.

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    Re: Deceptive
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:12:37   By: Anonymous
     
    I will admit I'm old school and think that where we are going is dangerous. You may agree or disagree as I expect many will and do. I can't believe this has been thought out well and the consequences of an ill conceived plan doesn't bode well for Calaveras County.

    The first item that surprises me is that there is no protests outside of the County buildings demanding that a full Environmental Impact Report (EIR) isn't required. Was any of this addressed in the County's Master Plan and has CEQA laws been followed? Has traffic been examined and has public safety been considered? Has the County looked into enforcement and will this be accomplished at the State level or at the local level? How many more inspectors and regulators will be needed to make sure the permit holder is following the permit lawfully? Who will be in charge at the County level, will we need a Marijuana cultivation Zar to oversee what will surely be a new government agency? How much money will be budgeted towards the new government agency and what will be their scope of work and will they work directly with planning and the Sheriff's dept?

    How will we prosecute those that break the law or violate their permit? Will there be fines based on the severity of the violation? How many violations will be tolerated before prosecution will begin? How often will these grows be inspected? Will the permit holder have to use E-verify to make sure legal workers contribute to the system?

    I don't believe we have answers to many of my questions and maybe that would be the best start in this process? Do it right make sure it is sustainable and not damaging to the community at large. If these questions can be answered in a reasonable fashion then we move forward, why rush it? Is the quest for increased tax revenue such a lure that we forget to do all our due diligence? Knowing the government as I do, they see dollar signs and the opportunity for more and more money. Get it right the first time or the consequences will be regrettable.

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      Re: Deceptive
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:32:38   By: Anonymous
       
      Thank you, well said. The county went ahead and put the cart before the horse at the residents expense.

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      Re: Deceptive
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 14:19:47   By: Anonymous
       
      I agree with your questions. A plan to set up routine on site inspections at least a couple of time each growing season should be addressed and the cost of that figured out. The impact on roads and perhaps on schools also especially if the growers families move here who do not have English language skills as is very possible knowing that many appear to be from other cultures. Every extra person moving to the county will cost tax money for all the things that are paid by taxes yet I note that many of the grows are not on property owned by the person who applied for the permit and, if that land had been vacant, no one there was causing a drain on resources but with the grow, there will be a drain. The drought is a major concern for all of us yet we know water is being sold to growers by the truck load and there is no way to know how many truck loads they are allowed to purchase while those with piped water are supposed to be limiting their water use and their rates go higher and higher.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:26:48   By: Anonymous
 
Does not matter if the unwashed "vote" for bread and circuses.

Profiting from the weakness of others by selling the poison is evil.

Resist it at every turn.

Vote NO on C & D. Ban the dope. Run off the evil dopers.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:33:32   By: Anonymous
     
    It wont matter when Obama declares Marshall law .

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      Re: The Spelling Otter.
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:37:30   By: Anonymous
       
      It's "martial"

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:37:59   By: Anonymous
     
    I did not realize there were so many terminally ill people in the county that there is a need to grow so much dope. It is apparent that the people growing dope are out to make money. Great how greedy people can ruin the lives of so many others. If your smoking dope to get high should it really be called medicine?

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:56:20   By: Anonymous
       
      Spoke to a commercial grower, and a lot of it is being shipped out of state and even down to Mexico. There are currently no controls over where it goes after it's grown.

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please vote YES on D!!!!!!
Posted on: 2016-10-12 12:39:14   By: Anonymous
 
I want to unload my marginally useful rangeland for a hugeprofit, so I can take my money elsewhere and leave you suckers with the crime and guns and hmong gangsters.

For my sakes, VOTE YES ON D.



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    Re: please vote YES on D!!!!!!
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 13:07:28   By: Anonymous
     
    Yeah dougie, i'm gonna vote yes on d so I can have more dirty, scummy, hmongs living next to me who could give a spit about me, my neighbors, or the county. lets see how you would feel then doug. NO ON D

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Where to Eat
Posted on: 2016-10-12 13:22:55   By: Anonymous
 
GIVE COUNTRY CLIFF'S THE BUSINESS

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letter from Doug
Posted on: 2016-10-12 15:06:16   By: Anonymous
 
Well Doug I'm surprised. You raised you family in this area and your ok with the changes. Our quiet communities will never be the same. The safety of our homes, children and roads will never be the same. The crime is already here. My parents built in 1963 in Arnold and I have watched this area grow into a close knit community where people care about each other. I have been here over 30 years. Measure D if it is so great than why aren't the sheriff's and DA supporting it. I think we are in for a bumpy road ahead and property values are going to decline.
I would hate to think you are profiting from pot sales with your business, the grass so to speak is not greener on the other side.

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    Re: letter from Doug
    Posted on: 2016-10-12 16:31:30   By: Anonymous
     
    So much for Shinn construction ! LOL

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      Re: letter from Doug
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 18:56:16   By: Anonymous
       
      The illegal grows do not comply with the stringent requirements to be compliant. I am an environmentalist, I grow, I have ag water that was used to irrigate pasture. The illegal grows are out of line. Vote no and welcome the cartel grows. Vote yes and regulate . Look at the total acres in the county and the total acres of registered grows. Those in compliance are not the problem. Unfortunately , the banners are not being honest and that is going to be a bigger problem than regulation


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        Re: letter from Doug
        Posted on: 2016-10-12 20:01:34   By: Anonymous
         
        What do you say to those of us whose wells are going dry from the "legal' growers? I am surrounded on all sides by "legal" growers who are on the approved listing. When they pump my well goes dry. You gonna give me money to dig a new well with all those millions you'll be raking in? Just wondering...

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        Re: letter from Doug
        Posted on: 2016-10-12 20:04:39   By: Anonymous
         
        Of course Dougie wants it here. He is real estate, and all they think about is dollar signs. The farther we go down the tubes, the more money Dougie and Bill Schmeitt make. They don't care about the citizens. I don't know what company he works for, but we will find out, and never do business there. And we will spread the word.

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          Re: letter from Doug
          Posted on: 2016-10-12 20:23:22   By: Anonymous
           
          Cedar Realty.

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        Re: letter from Doug
        Posted on: 2016-10-13 07:51:01   By: Anonymous
         
        "Legal growers are a problem, a once quiet residential neighborhood now hears the constant hum of a generator, both day and night. And has it been inspected, no.......

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        Re: letter from Doug
        Posted on: 2016-10-13 18:57:35   By: Anonymous
         
        Did you see the news tonight (10/13) CBS. Interviewed a grower who was robbed of plants in Mountain Ranch. Now he has tall lights on all night, isn't that nice for his neighbor. This is all so wrong. Nobody gives a damn about their neighbors, it's all about the almighty dollar.

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      Re: letter from Doug
      Posted on: 2016-10-12 20:44:03   By: Anonymous
       
      Translation: Shotty construction.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-10-12 20:18:51   By: Anonymous
 
I'm surprised by your opinion concerning Measure D & C Doug.

First and foremost I must say that it is sad that our society needs another drug as a means of escape. I do understand the need and benefits of medicinal cannabis but that should be regulated like all other drugs by the FDA where there is an agency that controls and protects the public.

The truth of the matter is that all the cannabis being grown under the current regulations is this county is supposed to be for medicinal use. That is a joke, probably 90% of what is being grown is for recreational use, and that number is direct from the growers themselves.

This industry invites a criminal element to our county in a way we have never seen before. There is no other industry that I'm aware of that the owners are patrolling their grows with armed security, that are polluting our water ways, filling the air with noxious smells and attracting the homeless, criminals, and not paying a penny to EDD, Social Security, Workers Compensation, or federal and state income taxes. Just look at Humboldt County where a fair amount of the growers have come from lately, there is not a park there that doesn't have a high amount homeless, loitering, and mental illness. This industry historically has not done anybody any good, except the growers. Colorado where it is legal, in only about a quarter of the counties, has a growing and prosperous black market. To think that legalizing this drug will solve everything is just plain ignorance.

Look at studies, most recently one by UC Davis, they found that in every area of human skills, regarding productivity, financial responsibly, social skills, that they where worse than people in the sample group using alcohol. The statistics would be even worse if the legal system had a way of testing drivers to see how impaired they may be.

Let me also add, that the proponents that are for Measure D have no problem stealing and vandalizing the billboards put up in opposition. I don't remember in any previous election that kind of cowardly action. As a realtor you must know that real estate values are going to drop with this industry. I know for a fact that most people are not going to want to live next door to a grower.

Society does not need another drug. I ask you please vote NO on Measure D and C.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-10-13 10:05:39   By: Anonymous
     
    My decision to post was partly an effort to create dialog. Well that certainly worked. For the record, who am I? A concerned citizen with my own opinion. A resident since 1976, raised my family here. I'm a retired real estate broker, I own no company. I was never in construction as the yelling implied. There are many grows that exist now and more will come. Controlled by common sense or out of control into the future. Once again I urge you all to read the 27 word measure D. A simple land use measure. I unnerstand the fear but a ban just means that all the violations that you fear go underground. As opposed to regulated grows that must meet strict requirements. I prefer it be regulated with monies collected like all other legal businesses pay. When the dialog turns to taking guns away I just lose interest!! Let's have a measured discussion. Thanks.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2016-10-13 12:04:26   By: Anonymous
       
      "Man panties".

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2016-10-13 18:43:31   By: Anonymous
       
      "There are many grows that exist now and more will come."

      Yes they certainly will if Measure D passes.

      Okay, so if Measure D fails, and more grows come, what are we out? Fees? No, Measure D doesn't provide fees, Measure C does that. (an aside, strange how they put the fees into a separate measure rather than the one they want to pass).

      So if Measure D fails, then we are basically where we are now...

      Where are we now? We have "legal"growers flouting the current ordinances, such as building codes, environmental impacts, water sources, septic hookups, etc etc. And they get away with it because they work the system. They appeal, they delay, and they harvest their crop anyway. Really, what difference does it make? They will do the same even if D passes.

      Voting Measure D down may not get rid of or stop any new grows, but it will draw a line of enough is enough. It is time to take a stand, and pass or fail, measure D will indicate the future of this county.

      Those who think it will 'regulate' the growers, who miraculously will become good citizens, I think are deluded. Things will get worse. There will never be enough police to enforce the laws.

      Nor will we have any more luck in getting rid of the so called bad apples, the ones who don't comply with the laws. There is just too much money at stake.

      And what has happened to all the money the county received from the current "legal" growers? How much has been spent fighting fires started by growers, legal or not? How much goes to investigate increased criminal activity? Has anyone seen any benefit to all those millions in fees that were collected?

      As to the response that without passing measure D there will increased illegal grows, okay so what? I'm already surrounded by "legal" grows. I already sleep with a Glock19 in ready reach and a double shot gun nearby. I already am afraid to walk my own property lines for fear the "legal" growers might shoot me. I constantly worry about my water supply and if my well will be working enough that I can take a shower...I can always tell when the neighbors are pumping for their grows. You tell me it's going to get worse...I don't really care. If I'm going to go to hell in a hand-basket (sorry for the cliché), then I want to get there as quick as possible and I'm willing to make a stand for what I believe in, just like all you growers are doing.

      I am a capitalist and I believe in the right of people to make money...but when it adversely and serverely impacts the lives of people who had every reason to believe that their home was safe, their property theirs to wander at will, and their children not be exposed to drugs and thugs, well then those who object must take a stand and vote their rights.

      Here's the bottom line, if the expansion of "legal" grows continues, and measure D makes all sort of new "activities" legal, then why would any non grower want to live here, move here, bring their family and kids here, or retire here. They'd have to be nuts....

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2016-10-13 21:21:47   By: Anonymous
       
      If your Doug Shinn your lying about working in construction..........

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