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Posted by: thepinetree on 09/01/2016 10:11 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 09/01/2016 10:11 AM
Expires: 01/01/2021 12:00 AM
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VOTE NO on “Measure D” It’s claim to “Control Commercial Cannabis Cultivation in Calaveras” is deceptive!

Angels Camp, CA...Why Vote No on D when it offers “Control for Commercial Cannabis”? Simple -- Measure D is a hastily and poorly written legislation. It lacks the necessary authority for law enforcement and code compliance to do their jobs! It is in conflict with current zoning law. It has a seriously flawed land-lease component. Measure D expands commercial cultivation of Marijuana/Cannabis crops to full recreational use. It fails to even mention “Medical Marijuana” anywhere in its language. Measure D puts the Handcuff’s on Law Enforcement and must be defeated!

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Why Bardon Stevenot and Merita Callaway, two legacy residents of our county, are sponsoring this misguided legislation is bewildering and disappointing. Their premise that we must pass this flawed
legislation to permit control over the profit driven desires of outsiders can only lead to the destruction of our beautiful rural county. Measure D is at best “agenda driven” deception.

Measure D incorporates a cumbersome change/updating process. If changes to this legislation are required it must go back to the voters for approval; a slow, costly and cumbersome task. Implementation of a measure of this complexity and consequence will require intense first year monitoring and modifying to get it right. This task needs to be handled by the Board of Supervisors, our county’s legislative body.

Measure D Authors’ and Supporters’ talking points are intentionally misleading:

It’s all about the money!
The claim: Measure D along with Measure C, [the tax measure], will give law enforcement the needed dollars to control this crime attracting industry. Not true. Estimates are that enforcement could require 150%+ of the combined measures’ revenue. Remember, Cannabis remains a mostly underground
industry, some growers will pay-up, but profits will be mis-reported and the county has no means of
verification. It’s an all cash industry leaving no paper trails. And, all too often, when legislative funding promises fall short, the residents are the ones who pick up the bill -- through additional taxation!
It’s about jobs for our youth!

The claim: Our youths will have good jobs right here at home. Really? Would we rather not see our youth become fireman, licensed foresters, arborist, biomass managers and operators, trained watershed and wetlands workers and biologist? These positions contribute to workmans-comp, state and federal taxes, medical insurance and retirement plans - all trackable and beneficial to our county.

Water is not an Issue, Cannabis growers are environmentalist!
The claim: That cannabis growers care about the environment and use the most sophisticated watering techniques to reduce water consumption. This is an outright lie. Water theft in areas of cannabis grows has risen dramatically. Diversion from rivers and streams is rampant. Tapping into ranchers ponds is
flagrant. Cannabis is a thirsty plant that requires vast amounts of water. And, what of the dangerous pesticides and fertilizers that require on-site hazardous storage and one-time use soils which must be hauled to special hazardous dump sites for disposal?

Finally, public safety!
County residents report having encountered all manner of disgusting elements attendant to the growers’ operations, such as having been confronted by gun carrying bullies demanding they leave the area
immediately -- and, all to often these residents are on there own land!
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Interesting & Enlightening
Posted on: 2016-09-01 10:20:18   By: Anonymous
 
Interesting and very enlightening. . .
Measure D has confused a lot of people. Thanks Republicans, we need to know the facts, this is serious stuff for our county.

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    Re: Interesting & Enlightening
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 10:24:30   By: Anonymous
     
    Thank you for the information. Would love to hear how our Law Enforcement feel about this. Their input would be greatly appreciated.

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      Re: Interesting & Enlightening
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 10:27:31   By: Anonymous
       
      The Sheriff already stated that cannabis should not be in Calaveras County.

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        Re: Interesting & Enlightening
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 10:36:43   By: Anonymous
         
        The Sheriff is opposed to this measure. Look it up.

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          Re: Interesting & Enlightening
          Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:39:58   By: Anonymous
           
          The sheriff is opposed to measure D because he wants employees to have background checks- the farm owner has to do a background check with measure D. The measure was already written when the sheriff stated he wanted background checks on employees; otherwise employee background checks would be part of the measure.

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            Re: Interesting & Enlightening
            Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:30:28   By: Anonymous
             
            The sheriff was FOR measure D a few weeks ago at the Moke Hill town meeting. He either changed his mind or is talking out both sides of his mouth. I personally asked him what we should support, he replied no on Stevenot, and yes on measure c and d.

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              Re: Interesting & Enlightening
              Posted on: 2016-09-01 19:37:39   By: Anonymous
               
              Stevenot's Measure is Measure D same thing!

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          Re: Interesting & Enlightening
          Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:54:23   By: Anonymous
           
          yes he is because he wants no testing , manufacturing ,or distribution all part of MMRSA and prop 64. Because as he says he has money but can't hire anyone because he can't pay them as much as other places. Yet he has also said as a kid he smoked the heck out of it. Also that it needs to be regulated, it just depends on who he is talking to as far as I can tell.

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    Re: Interesting & Enlightening
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:02:26   By: Anonymous
     
    Where are the Democrats on this issue. Certainly Stevenot and Callaway do not speak for me as a democrat.

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    Re: Interesting & Enlightening
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:37:14   By: Anonymous
     
    Merrita a Republican ? Really she is a Lib. If you think she is a Republican you need to smoke something.

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      Re: Interesting & Enlightening
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 20:30:34   By: Anonymous
       
      She is dumb *bleep*.

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        Re: Interesting & Enlightening
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 13:27:44   By: Anonymous
         
        Ditto

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    Re: Interesting & Enlightening
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 20:18:33   By: Anonymous
     
    BOYCOTT COUNTRY CLIFFS

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      Re: Interesting & Enlightening
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 21:04:17   By: Anonymous
       
      Cliff es muy guapo.

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        Re: Interesting & Enlightening
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 13:30:17   By: Anonymous
         
        Do us a favor Cliff....go stand by your deep fryer ignorant zit face

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          Re: Interesting & Enlightening
          Posted on: 2016-09-02 19:06:07   By: Anonymous
           
          wow some really snappy comments. you folks need to grow up or maybe your the ones big Bill M is talking about still living with your parents hanging out in your batman pj's


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Copper Town Hall
Posted on: 2016-09-01 10:45:08   By: Anonymous
 
I was at the Copper Town Hall meeting last week held by our new, supervisor elect, Dennis Mills, our county Sheriff, District Attorney and Fire Chief all participated in this event answering questions. Without question our Sheriff prefers a BAN on Marijuana -- he is not happy with our Urgency Ordinance and positively against Measure D as was the DA and Dennis Mills who also prefers a BAN on Marijuana.

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    Re: Copper Town Hall
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:03:32   By: Anonymous
     
    yeap the head in the sand crowd! MMRSA was pasted by the state our board had a choice ban or regulate. D is the same the board could have passed it or they could put it on the ballot which they did. You can vote no on D & C then pass a ban. then according to Mr. Mills the Sherriff and the DA they can eradicate it from the county??? Just how they don't say after all has the Sherriff caught a single person connected to any one of the illegal grows he has found so far this season? but if you have attended the meetings he has said just what the folks at those meetings have wanted to hear.....really?

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      Re: Copper Town Hall
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 06:22:21   By: Anonymous
       
      Really! Follow the people of the Philippines and Denmark.

      In Denmark, even the old hippies tired of the doper criminal scumbags and kicked them out of town by force.

      In Philippines, 9K+ dead doper scumbags. Over 72K registering for amnesty.

      All it takes is for good people to stand united against evil. Evil wins when we are silent. No quarter to doper scumbags!

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        Re: Copper Town Hall
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 08:09:52   By: Anonymous
         
        Why dont you move to the Phil or Denmark you red neck P. O. S-- T. Sniveling scum

        YES ON D & C

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      Re: Copper Town Hall
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 13:35:03   By: Anonymous
       
      Fat..stupid...ignorant Cliff wrote themail above...can tell by his opening Sansone statement . Cliff go back home a play with yourself. You could care less about Calaveras citizens.


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    Re: Copper Town Hall
    Posted on: 2016-09-02 07:09:51   By: Anonymous
     
    Vote with your feet...

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      Re: Copper Town Hall
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 12:38:54   By: Anonymous
       
      I'm voting with my spleen this time around.

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    Re: Copper Town Hall
    Posted on: 2016-09-02 19:12:20   By: Anonymous
     
    Funny how he is your Sherriff like he was elected by all of you. Last I knew he was a fill in for the one that we had elected that died. But you all know better. I thought he was appointed by the same board that you all would like to see strung up for passing an ordnance to comply with state law an regulate an industry that is green wants to pay taxes and be legal. We would love it if the Sherriff would go out and put the bad guys away.

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      Re: Copper Town Hall
      Posted on: 2016-09-03 07:10:05   By: Anonymous
       
      Thats very true! The Sheriff was appointed by the BOS . . . However, he has turned out to be the peoples sheriff and we are very pleased with his performance.

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Viticulture
Posted on: 2016-09-01 12:26:32   By: Anonymous
 


Recently received an email regarding a viticulture program at the local high schools so students can get hands-on experience growing grapes for wine. Rock-on vocational training, and lets not be hypocritical now about cannabis.
If you feel uncomfortable about cannabis its because it has been illegal for the majority of your lifetime and that has been a REALLY LONG TIME, so get ready for the national shift and open your mind. Calaveras was number four in the state for wine grape cultivation through prohibition, once prohibition ended, so did that lofty status for Calaveras- we fell way back.
Accept that this is a great region for growing things, accept that cannabis is only a perceived threat because of an entrenched ideology you have clung to all your life, be happy for the jobs, revenue, a QUALITY products coming out of this beautiful region.

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    Re: Viticulture
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 13:33:08   By: Anonymous
     
    Nope not even close brother. . . Wine grown in Calaveras during probation was for the land owners use -- If pot is grown here for the same reason, so be it!

    You just can not compare the Wine Industry to the Pot Industry as the effects on the county are 180 degrees different. Wine brings a good people a healthy tourism industry and sense of place to Calaveras. Pot brings criminals, thieves and the dirt bags we see everywhere now -- this is not a positive element for growth and prosperity here our county. Its got to GO!!!

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      Re: Viticulture
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:58:56   By: Anonymous
       
      Wine industry doesn't have any crime connected to it?!
      Really, so theft of equipment, product, or grapes doesn't happen? The countless drunk driving arrests during winery sponsored events, are what? Just harmless? Or the hiring of illegal workers during harvest is not illegal?

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        Re: Viticulture
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:50:15   By: Anonymous
         
        Nope !

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        Re: Viticulture
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 21:28:48   By: Anonymous
         
        Ding dong!

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          Re: Viticulture
          Posted on: 2016-09-02 00:26:27   By: Anonymous
           
          Background, and citizenship check for all winery workers!

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            Re: Viticulture
            Posted on: 2016-09-03 09:26:24   By: Anonymous
             
            Yep. So true. All the people working the grapes have papers. They're all tax paying citizens too.

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              Re: Viticulture
              Posted on: 2016-09-03 10:45:09   By: Anonymous
               
              Yeah, right.

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      Re: Viticulture
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 07:48:12   By: Anonymous
       
      "Pot brings criminals, thieves and the dirt bags we see everywhere now -- this is not a positive element for growth and prosperity here our county."??? EXCUSE ME SIR. Don't forget about our born & raised Calaveras criminals, thieves & dirt bags.

      Yes, there is a new migration to our county. But with ANY migration, anywhere in the world, criminals, thieves & dirt bags are part of the mix of people.

      What I've discovered about the people I've met in the grow community is that they are musicians, artists, writers, chefs, builders, extremely talented and creative individuals looking to make the world a better place and build a future here. People not so different from many of us in our youth.

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        Re: Viticulture
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 10:11:45   By: Anonymous
         
        Rose colored glasses. . . .

        Get real

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        Re: Viticulture
        Posted on: 2016-09-03 07:17:35   By: Anonymous
         
        What you seem to have discovered my compadre is drugs delusions -- these growers are real low-lifes and they are not welcome here. . .

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-09-01 13:44:07   By: Anonymous
 
What bewilders me is that the owners of ACE hardware in Arnold are planning on leasing land by the lumber yard to a "pot grower". They actually seem pretty excited about it. They feel it will be "inside" so there should be no problem! Give me a break!!! Where does their concern for the community of Arnold lie?

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    Re: More Drugs?
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 13:57:45   By: Anonymous
     
    Can anyone give us a list of which of society's problems are solved by more drugs?

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      Re: More Drugs?
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 14:10:16   By: Anonymous
       
      Yes -- The need to work and contribute to society! Drugs including pot are purposely socially engineered to inhibbit people's productivity! That's why a county full of pot growers can only degrade our wellbeing and lifestyle!

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        Re: More Drugs?
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 13:37:19   By: Anonymous
         
        Well stated

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          Re: More Drugs?
          Posted on: 2016-09-02 19:28:55   By: Anonymous
           
          heck you are right we need more oxycodone , morphine Vicodin not pot. The voters of California are a bunch of idiots for passing laws allowing pot to be called medicine. You all know better we just need wine beer and prescription drugs made by big pharma not grown in our county where we might get the tax money from it add a few jobs so kids don't have to leave when want a job that pays more than minimum wage. But no no you are all right pot is bad R. Nixon said so & he was just the greatest president we have ever had. Shame on all the people on his staff that told him to legalize it.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 14:22:00   By: Anonymous
     
    Sounds like Sender's Market and "The 420" sandwich they were so proud of with "coming soon" on the board for so long.

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can you
Posted on: 2016-09-01 14:21:01   By: Anonymous
 
is it possible to vote yes>?

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    Re: can you
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 14:28:24   By: Anonymous
     
    Yes on Measure D and Yes on Measure C

    Only way to go about this problem is cut out the bad let the good regulated people stay and produce a good economy for the county. All business will benefit in the county


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      Re: can you
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 14:29:05   By: Anonymous
       
      This is not a factual article!!!
      Vote yes D and C

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        Re: can you be specific
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:39:01   By: Anonymous
         
        One of you said::

        This is not a factual article!!!

        Give specifics please - point by point.

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        Re: can you
        Posted on: 2016-09-03 07:19:37   By: Anonymous
         
        This is a factual Position Statement

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      Re: can you
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 14:51:57   By: Anonymous
       
      This isn't a snow job its a blizzard -- sorry but this line of pot economics just doesn't end well! You see the public ends up underwriting this proposition and when the pot-boys split the tax payers are on the hook for the expensive clean-up!

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      Re: can you
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 14:54:22   By: Anonymous
       
      OK I with you on that -- we will regulate the good ones! That said -- there are no good ones so end of conversation!

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        Winegrowers
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:14:34   By: Anonymous
         
        Have any local winegrowers shotgunned anyone yet or is that reserved for potters?

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          Re: Winegrowers
          Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:27:42   By: Anonymous
           
          YES OD AND YES ON C. Vote no to elect the current appointed sheriff and vote NO to ban cannabis. Who buys from the local shops? Farmers who buys from the local grocery? Farmers. California is changing so get with the times or move out of the state you complainers

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          Re: Winegrowers
          Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:28:02   By: Anonymous
           
          well said. Let see the "come backs".

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            Re: Winegrowers
            Posted on: 2016-09-01 21:07:44   By: Anonymous
             
            Gloop!

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:35:21   By: Anonymous
 
Whoever wrote this article is misleading. Measures C the tax measure, is the canopy tax. It is based on the square footage that is cultivated. You cannot lie about how much you produce because it does not make a difference , I guess you could lie but what is the point. Everybody would pay an additional two dollars a square foot with their property taxes twice a year, two dollars per square foot of cultivated area.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:40:33   By: Anonymous
     
    By everybody I meant to say the cultivators would pay an additional two dollars per square foot of cultivated area with their property tax

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    Re: Two Buck?
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:40:56   By: Anonymous
     
    Who wrote this tax measure? The growers? Two bucks a square foot per year is chump change for them.

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      Re: Two Buck?
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 19:35:37   By: Anonymous
       
      really why don't you ask the wine grape growers or maybe the people around lake tulloch to pay an extra 2 bucks a sq ft let see who else is willing to and asking to pay a tax????? maybe you all can tell me

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Funny
Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:42:49   By: Anonymous
 
I am a CERTIFIED ARBORIST, a BIOLOGIST and a CALAVERAS CANNABIS FARMER. The jobs are not mutually exclusive...in fact, they are complimentary. Interns welcome!

Vote YES on Measures C & D. Regulation is the way forward, the way to protect the environment, and the way to create jobs -- all kinds of jobs -- for Calaveras.

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    Re: Funny
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 15:47:32   By: Anonymous
     
    In addition, my cannabis farm runs on SOLAR ENERGY that pumps our own well water from a well drilled 50 years ago. Please stop painting all farmers with the same brush. A lot of us actually do care about neighbors, the environment, providing jobs and ensuring the safety of our fellow Calaveras residents.

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 16:04:05   By: Anonymous
       
      Agreed! We water from our own source and use no more for our cannabis than we do for tomatoes and as far as pesticides...I have used ONE organic spray this year ONE time, other than that...no pesticide. Oh, and our soil is 6 years old, we recondition every year with organic products and have no issue, nor any reason to dispose of soil annually...if your going to put something in print please know your facts! Sad really...and I'm a registered Republican!

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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:55:56   By: Anonymous
         
        Oh Hi Debbie. . .

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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:52:28   By: Anonymous
         
        right,... like you really report the true sales that you make.

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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 10:17:32   By: Anonymous
         
        You do realize that close to 50% of CCWD's water is STOLEN since the pot farmers have moved in. It's so bad they are putting locks on the hydrants. . .

        So, good for YOU. Most are not upstanding like yourself. . . .IF what you say is true. . .

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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-03 09:33:33   By: Anonymous
         
        If your source is for under your property or stream nearby, you're still tapping into water that your neighbors use. There's already been quite a few ranchers whose wells and springs went dry obviously because of pot growers.

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 09:02:16   By: Anonymous
       
      de ja vu -- I heard this Bull "S" before!

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 10:15:36   By: Anonymous
       
      and A LOT don't. . .

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    Re: Funny
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 16:01:31   By: Anonymous
     
    With those credentials you could get a real, productive job that could contribute to society instead of selling drugs for a living.

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 16:58:23   By: Anonymous
       
      Sounds like all the people making these post have a degree in neculear physics. No, no,no. NO GROWING, period. Get some use out of our new jail. Gonna happen!!!!!!!

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 20:05:45   By: Anonymous
       
      Actually I DO work as a biologist and arborist in addition to owning a cannabis farm. As I said before, these jobs are not mutually exclusive, but a compliment to each other.

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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 06:28:22   By: Anonymous
         
        Your like the saintly priest, who rapes little children. Can't differentiate between good and evil, or chooses not too - even worse.

        You cannot justify evil. You are merely delusional.

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    Re: Funny
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:45:51   By: Anonymous
     
    Just curious. Do you and all the other "good" growers file our income taxes, state and federal, and report all of the money you make on the marijuana?

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:49:10   By: Anonymous
       
      yes we do do you?


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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:57:26   By: Anonymous
         
        Show me. . .

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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:07:53   By: Anonymous
         
        Cannabis remains an underground economy, that said, a great percentage of sales activity is and always will be un-reported or under-reported. This is unfortunately the nature of the folks involved in this industry - its in there DNA. They know there are no paper-trails, therefore they can be selective on what they report. Do I think the canopy tax is sufficient and will be satisfactorily monitored. NO and NO The canopy tax needs to 4 to 5 times what it is in Measure C.

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          Re: Funny
          Posted on: 2016-09-12 09:03:57   By: Anonymous
           
          guess you never heard of track and trace or seed to sale both of these go in with MMSRA & AUMA so that every gram grown by legal growers is accounted for. Now if your talking about the illegal growers that what the Sherriff is for and code compliance!

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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:39:37   By: Anonymous
         
        Sorry. Don't believe it.
        If this county allows commercial grows they should require a copy of the tax return. Other ordinances do.
        Oh wait, ours says the grower will follow state laws. Filing taxes is one of those.


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        Re: Funny
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 20:52:06   By: Anonymous
         
        Its not possible that you report to the IRS, you would be nailed with asset forfeiture the minute you said the money came from the sale of drugs.
        They would take everything you have and you would have to prove it was not purchased with drug money.

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    Re: Funny
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:04:19   By: Anonymous
     
    Certified by whom?

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 20:01:11   By: Anonymous
       
      International Society of Arboriculture (ISA)

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    Re: Funny
    Posted on: 2016-09-02 06:25:44   By: Anonymous
     
    You are an evil, f', doper criminal scumbag.

    Pox on you!

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      Re: Funny
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 09:33:38   By: Anonymous
       
      Any one can get certified for ( ISA ) just buy a comic book and look inside for the ad , fill out the form and $5

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-09-01 17:48:16   By: Anonymous
 


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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:09:49   By: Anonymous
     
    The landowners that signed leases will be the ones at a loss. They signed an agreement with registered growers. The landowner is responsible for the tax. If the grower moves on and doesn't pay. That landowner will have too! Innocent folks are going to get hurt if this tax measure passes. Thats a lot of faith to put in a renter.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 10:20:26   By: Anonymous
       
      Then don't lease to DRUG DEALERS. . . .

      Too F'in bad. . .

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    Re: I'm not a proctologist
    Posted on: 2016-09-02 00:30:13   By: Anonymous
     
    ...but I do play one on TV.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:06:58   By: Anonymous
 
True Republicans are for economic growth as well as private property rights. This article is an embarrassment to the Rrpublicans of Calaveras county.

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    Re: Republicans Platform
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:13:09   By: Anonymous
     
    True Republicans are for Law & Order as well - Read the Republican platform and even in the California Party Platform you won't find the tolerance for this activity!

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      Re: Republicans Platform
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 18:34:45   By: Anonymous
       
      The only route to achieving Law and order in this industry is through proper regulations.

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        Re: Republicans Platform
        Posted on: 2016-09-01 19:05:43   By: Anonymous
         
        Regulation is the only viable option. Cannabis has been here for decades. Please understand that there is a benefit to having growers pay tax, register, be compliant and responsible. If there is a ban it just goes back to the underground

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          Re: Republicans Platform
          Posted on: 2016-09-01 19:34:02   By: Anonymous
           
          Going back to the underground, or the "way things were a year ago" is much more of an improvement for the personal grower, perhaps not for those with not an ailment in the world, but a bank account full of cash & a few acres of good soil.

          We were a lot better off in the past, this future looks bleak for the personal grower.

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          Re: Republicans Platform
          Posted on: 2016-09-01 20:42:34   By: Anonymous
           
          Measure D is not regulation, its more akin to Self-Policing and of the very few industries that could be allowed to self-police, this my friend is not one of them. . .

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        Re: Republicans Platform
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 06:30:39   By: Anonymous
         
        Or a big stick.

        Death to doper scumbags.

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Regardless of what happens...
Posted on: 2016-09-01 20:16:56   By: Anonymous
 
Cannabis is more than likely to be legal for recreational use coming the next election.
The pro-cannabis lobby is well-funded by big tobacco, and seeks to eliminate all medical users, and growers, and just lump everyone into the "recreational user" group.
Growing it will be a thing of the past, if this passes.
Legalization supported by Cal NORML and Californians for safe access have a legalization bill for the 2018 State vote that should be supported by the medical community, not this upcoming pro-legalization measure in '16.

I can wait another 2 years.

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    Re: Regardless of what happens...
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 21:58:37   By: Anonymous
     
    Your rights end when your skunk odor invades my home. Many farms and dairies were shut down by new housing developments. The pot farmers were not here first, and the public nusiance should be enough to sue the profits out of the business.

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      Re: Regardless of what happens...
      Posted on: 2016-09-01 22:04:31   By: Anonymous
       
      Go for it!....sue-away!

      But still, the way big tobacco is lobbying for Cal legalization, it's going to happen this year.
      I'm ( for the 1st time in 2 decades) not growing because I'm law-biding, and I can't get a permit because of a few simple reasons.
      So no skunk-odor coming from my ponderosa, cowboy.

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      Re: Regardless of what happens...
      Posted on: 2016-09-03 09:38:50   By: Anonymous
       
      Here! Here!

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    Re: Regardless of what happens...
    Posted on: 2016-09-01 22:00:40   By: Anonymous
     
    Support measures C and D.
    Our county will benefit from the tax money.
    All evil is not caused by the cannabis growers.
    Many are law abiding citizens.
    Give regulation a chance.
    Maybe Residential areas are not good for commercial grows. We can change the regulations to suit and benefit the residents of our county.
    Support Measures C and D.
    We might as well make some money from Cannabis. It is not going away.
    You don't have to smoke or ingest cannabis just because it is grown in our county.
    Many people benefit from Cannabis. Chemotherapy induced nausea, Chronic pain treatment, Arthritis treatment. Insomnia are all helped by Cannabis.

    Vote for Measures C and D.


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      Re: Regardless of what happens...
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 08:41:34   By: Anonymous
       
      De ja moo -- I've heard the Bull *bleep* before. . .

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      Re: Regardless of what happens...
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 09:17:54   By: Anonymous
       
      Supporting Measure D and C is supporting criminal activity!
      This open-door policy on marijuana growing is irrational -- California can not consume all the pot grown in just Calaveras County. Therefore, other markets will be sought for distribution -- large shipments will go out of state, breaking interstate commerce law. Now looking at this a litter closer -- with all the pot growing here, there will be a downward pressure on price, to remedy this growers will seek other markets particularly markets that are not pot-growing climates, maximizing there yield/price of there crop. This will be forced on them, otherwise yield/price will be below sustainable income to "grow" the business.

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        Re: Regardless of what happens...
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 09:30:01   By: Anonymous
         
        Interesting economic lesson! So whats the solution going forward? Limiting the amount of Cannabis grows in Calaveras! Maybe we need to put the cannabis growers on a lottery system, where we restrict the number of grows to say 300 farms -- if one fails,quits or moves it allows another pre-qualified farmer to participate. This would allow for a far more reasonable solution to monitoring and for law enforcement and code compliance to do there jobs.

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        Re: Regardless of what happens...
        Posted on: 2016-09-02 09:30:01   By: Anonymous
         
        Interesting economic lesson! So whats the solution going forward? Limiting the amount of Cannabis grows in Calaveras! Maybe we need to put the cannabis growers on a lottery system, where we restrict the number of grows to say 300 farms -- if one fails,quits or moves it allows another pre-qualified farmer to participate. This would allow for a far more reasonable solution to monitoring and for law enforcement and code compliance to do there jobs.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-09-02 00:33:50   By: Anonymous
 
He's so good with the servants, Fred.

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It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
Posted on: 2016-09-02 10:28:02   By: Anonymous
 
There are well meaning people, on both sides of this debate, that absolutely insist that industrial marijuana production and it's sale are about politics or morality, liberals and conservatives. It's not. It's about money.

IT'S ABOUT CALAVERAS COUNTY AND THE UNITED STATES AVOIDING A SELF INFLICTED PUBLIC HEALTH NIGHTMARE OF CATASTROPHIC PROPORTIONS.

Millions of decent AND immoral people, from every walk of life, will inevitably become physically and emotionally dependent upon marijuana- the growers and retailers are absolutely counting on that fact. That's why they're fighting so hard for a foothold in our county-marijuana dependence and addiction will virtually guarantee their success as an enterprise. The general public will suffer for decades, due to the greed of Big Tobacco, now metamorphosing into Big Marijuana, and the small retailers and growers' delusions of easy profits. Corporate conglomerates and so-called farmers and retailers couch their greed in terms of "well, it's gonna happen anyway-why shouldn't we get rich?".

THEIR UTTER DISREGARD FOR THEIR FELLOW HUMANS IS INDICATIVE THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY'S INCREDIBLE POWER TO PERSUADE AND CONFUSE, THROUGH THE BUZZ AND THE MONEY.

Even those that avoid dependence and addiction will suffer from the fallout: DUI's, traffic fatalities, throat and lung cancer, psychological and emotional illness, higher health insurance premiums (like tobacco smokers), etc. Those that do not use marijuana will resent the outsiders and the criminal element so abruptly invading their towns and neighborhoods, causing inevitable class warfare. Pot smokers, growers, retailers, and the "non-partaking" are being sold a delusional bill of goods by the people who stand to make billions off their backs.

THEY WANT TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER, JUST LIKE BIG TOBACCO AND BIG OIL. IF WE ARE CONFUSED, WE CANNOT ACT.

Do we, as a county and a nation, really want to base a giant part of out economy on the large scale production and sale of marijuana to addicts? In 20-30 years, we will be in the same boat as the tobacco workers, growers, and nationwide retailers. Just like Big Tobacco, the marijuana industry will collapse, as we begin to understand and believe how heavy marijuana use and addiction has lead the American people to an avoidable public health catastrophe. Big Marijuana will pay in the millions for it's greed, but not before it's made billions in profit.

As a nation, we seem to have learned nothing from our loved ones dying horribly before our very eyes, by the millions, from their helpless addiction to tobacco. We were sickened and appalled by the September 11th attacks. Yet we eagerly and willingly encourage Big Marijuana. We allow them to continue trumpeting the outright lie that using unprocessed marijuana products from a so-called "dispensary" is medicinal or therapeutic in some way. We're continuing to allow Big Marijauna to make a profit off of the deaths of our citizens, and they will knowingly decimate our population for decades to come.

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    Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
    Posted on: 2016-09-02 15:25:01   By: Anonymous
     
    you must have stock in Ironstone

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    Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
    Posted on: 2016-09-02 15:31:10   By: Anonymous
     
    Did you bring your own soap box or was one provided for you?

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      Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 17:07:28   By: Anonymous
       
      I dunno, but looking at the time stamps on the two posts above this one, they appear to be from the exact same person, perhaps trying to make it seem as though they are TWO in the "legions" of pro-legalization hordes....instead of just the ONE person. Rather deceptive, but one must consider the source.

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        Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
        Posted on: 2016-09-05 16:13:05   By: Anonymous
         
        the source was 2 different people 6 minutes apart d a

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    Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
    Posted on: 2016-09-02 20:38:01   By: Anonymous
     
    That's the most fear mongering rant about weed that I've ever heard. The sky is not falling.



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      Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
      Posted on: 2016-09-02 22:43:20   By: Anonymous
       
      That is the biggest load of buffalo bagels I've ever read!

      It's almost like it's right out of that movie reefer madness.

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        Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
        Posted on: 2016-09-03 08:52:35   By: Anonymous
         
        Ok, if that's a "fear mongering rant", then let's see some actual data.

        Smoking pot is good for your lungs? It's doesn't impair anyone's driving skills? Or the ability to operate heavy machinery? Or work at an industrial job? People suffering from any illness should ignore traditional medicine and smoke or eat weed first? Pots cures all depression, all pain, all diseases, all PTSD issues for everyone,,with no side effects? Weed doesn't contribute to psychiatric illness in those who self medicate? Those suffering from addiction to opiates will be magically and permanently cured by smoking weed? Alcoholics will also be cured of their alcoholism? The violent crime rate in weed friendly communities and states doesn't increase dramatically? All appropriate taxes and fees are paid all the time, or at least most of the time? It's good for pre-teens and young adults to begin smoking weed at an early age? Pot industry jobs are well-paying jobs with lots of opportunity for advancement, education, health care, retirement? People who are weed dependent are, even now, creating savings plans to pay for their hospital bills when their health fails due to their addiction? So California tax payers won't have to foot the bill? Right?

        Yeah, that's what I thought.

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          Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
          Posted on: 2016-09-03 09:52:33   By: Anonymous
           
          Maybe some of these pot growers-who just stay in their comfort zones ought to go out and volunteer in soup kitchens; to be exposed to the destitute. Not to mention addicts who are having a tough time getting off of drugs. They started off with marijuana as a gateway drug. There's been studies on that. I saw a little family in Sonora yesterday with a sign. Apparently there's no room at the shelter for them. Now doesn't that sound familiar i.e. what happened 2016 years ago this Christmas? Maybe WE ALL NEED TO REALIZE HOW FORTUNATE WE ARE. This love for making the all mighty dollar has an effect on so many. Some people go from rags to riches and forget about their humble beginnings and don't care about the disenfranchised . Hence, "the meek shall inherit the earth." And I humbly close with that.

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            Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
            Posted on: 2016-09-03 10:48:58   By: Anonymous
             
            I started with beer..

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    Re: It's not "Good vs Evil" or "Democrats vs Republicans"-
    Posted on: 2016-09-03 11:48:11   By: Anonymous
     
    He forgot the "gun-toting" thugs scaring folks off their own property line.

    What a load of crap.

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      Re: "pot growers, comfort zones"-
      Posted on: 2016-09-05 10:51:56   By: Anonymous
       
      I really appreciate this post. I think the writer, makes a great point: growers, retailers, and the folks that are backing them might need to get a closer at who their clients/customers really are, and where exactly their "under the table" weed is going.

      For every financially stable old hippie that smokes a little weed now and then, there's maybe 200 people under 18, just trying to navigate adolescence and young adulthood, who are in danger of becoming dependent. For every person who truly thinks they're medicating themselves, there's 100 who are smoking their vapes every single hour because they can't stop.

      Maybe the weed producers need to stop being so damned defensive and really look at the toll their product is taking on minorities and lower income folks. Maybe they should stop pretending that their product isn't a black market bonanza, and that minorities and folks making from paycheck to paycheck, who are marijuana dependent, simply cannot afford the high dollar stuff available to the wealthy at so-called dispensaries.

      Maybe it's time for a grower to show up at Changing Echoes or Maynords and actually talk to the people in rehab, and see what they've been through.

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        Re: "pot growers, comfort zones"-
        Posted on: 2016-09-05 10:58:01   By: Anonymous
         
        Whoops! "....closer look...." Sorry, Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. Spelling Otter.

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          Re: "pot growers, comfort zones"-
          Posted on: 2016-09-05 11:24:00   By: Anonymous
           
          No lie. I got two kids and a married and a full 40 hour job. We make it ok but I tried to get off pain pills and my sister in law said I should try smoking and vaping oils cuz it was natural medicine. That was total bull. I was not to scared as I smoke cigs like a dummy. We got smoke from her guy in San Andrés. Then I got where I could not even sleep or eat with no grass. It sucked. And the buzz did not help my arthritis at all but that pain was not how come I was eating so many norcos every day anyways. Also my depression got really really bad as hell. I needed that crap the pills and we thought weed would help. Don't you believe it I just got lit and wanted the pills a ton more when I was high. So there I was smoking AND freakin using too. So yah I went to a out patient thing in the in Modesto And there was some a hole there talking the med mj line. I wish that I could punch that idiot and we all said he was a dumass. When I was at the outpatient thing I met SO MANY like me it was unreal. We try to quit hard stuff and think the mj is ok and it brings us right back to hard stuff and we can't quit the weed ever. I know right now I am not the only one with weed probs no way and anybody who says different is just like blind because of money and there own buzz. I can not tell farmers and everybody to stop selling or growing cuz that will not happen but there just evil in there heads in some way not telling people how ez it is to be hooked on mj alone. I am 38 and I am clean for 11 months but I will NOT forget that weed does not cure a damn thing it just makes money for the big dogs. I just dare those calaveras cannabis group guys to stop all mj for 90 days bet they totally can not do it.

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          The Spelling Otter.
          Posted on: 2016-09-05 21:12:14   By: Anonymous
           
          It's groovy.

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VOTE NO ON MEASURE D AND C
Posted on: 2016-09-03 13:52:11   By: Anonymous
 


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    Re: VOTE NO ON MEASURE D AND C
    Posted on: 2016-09-04 07:57:15   By: Anonymous
     
    Who wrote this bunch of crap? A lifetime Calaveras resident? Perhaps we should use some of this cannabis money to bolster our schools - "...all to often these residents are on there own land!". Maybe then they'd get ahold of there, their, and they're.

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      Re: VOTE NO ON MEASURE D AND C
      Posted on: 2016-09-04 12:42:33   By: Anonymous
       
      That said, are for or against Measure D???

      Or does your English Major from Harvard curtail your critical thinking skills?

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        Re: VOTE NO ON MEASURE D AND C
        Posted on: 2016-09-04 21:11:16   By: Anonymous
         
        I'm voting yes, and no.

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        Re: VOTE NO ON MEASURE D AND C
        Posted on: 2016-09-05 09:52:55   By: Anonymous
         
        "That said, are for or against Measure D???"
        You forgot a pronoun... Didn't need to go to Harvard for that one.

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Re: International Society of Arboculture Code of Ethics:.
Posted on: 2016-09-05 09:36:29   By: Anonymous
 
ISA Code of Ethics ( Adopted August 1992):

ISA members will:
- Strive for continuous self-development by increasing their qualifications and technical proficiency by staying abreast of technological and scientific developments affecting the profession.
- Not misuse or omit material facts in promoting technical information, products, or services if the effect would be to mislead or misrepresent.
- Hold paramount the safety and health of all people, and endeavor to protect property and the environment in the performance of professional responsibilities.
- Subscribe to fair and honest business practices in dealing with clients, suppliers, employees and other professionals.
- Support the improvement of professional services and products through encouraging research and development.
- Observe the standards and promote adherence to the ethics embodied in this Code.

The ISA Code of Ethics outlines the professional and personal guidelines that professional arborists are expected to adhere to in their working lives. The ISA certification exams are difficult and require rigorous study and several years spent learning the fundamentals of tree work and arboriculture. ISA certifications is not something that one sends away for "out of a comic book".

That said, as an ISA certified arborist myself, I am absolutely opposed to industrial and commercial pot growing in California. I make a serious effort to adhere to the Code of Ethics on both my personal and professional lives. I especially "hold paramount the safety and health of all people, and endeavor to protect property and the environment in the performance of professional responsibilities." For me, it's really clear that giant marijuana farms, both legal and illegal, violate that part of our Code. Also, as a professional forester who's spent plenty of time in the woods, I have been horrified by what I've personally witnessed in illegal grows. Making marijauna totally legal will increase these illegal grows, as the "legal" stuff will be far too expensive for regular folks to afford. Working in the large scale clean-up operations for catastrophic wildfires in CA has given me first hand exposure to the harmful practices of the legal growers, as well. How many fires are they responsible for, just in the 2016 fire season? There's plenty of concrete examples of the immense harm that commercial marijuana cultivation has brought and will bring to the environment in CA, aside from issues of addiction and dependence.

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    Re: International Society of Arboculture Code of Ethics:.
    Posted on: 2016-09-05 21:14:53   By: Anonymous
     
    Defoliating the Victory Garden sure is hard work.

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      Re: International Society of Arboculture Code of Ethics:.
      Posted on: 2016-09-06 09:09:24   By: Anonymous
       
      Thanks, I S A guy or lady. Good to know. The other guy with the pot farm seems to want to say that he is well educated and has a lot of certificates and degrees and there fore-based on his education-he wants us all to know that huge pot farms are just fine for our county. I don't care who gets high, I just don't. And I don't care who has a few pot plants in their yard. I have a bunch of college under my belt, too, and I guess I'm what you'd call a liberal. But it breaks my heart to think of Calaveras county relying on marijuana money. That money will dry up in 20 or 30 years, just like the tobacco money in the South. I just don't want to see Big Marijuana become part of our identity. The pro pot folks are trying way too hard to convince us that they're good moral upstanding people. Maybe they are, but their industry isn't.



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