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Posted by: thepinetree on 03/16/2016 01:16 PM Updated by: thepinetree on 03/16/2016 01:16 PM
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In Defense of Wooster ~ Letter To The Editor By Al Segalla

San Andreas, CA...This is regarding the calls for ouster of Planning Commissioner Kelly Wooster. Poor choice of words, for sure. He should have said "Illegal immigrants" or "Mexican Cartels",which I think he meant. He apologised. Nuf said.



Any more attacks on him is really not only an attack on Mr. Wooster's First Amendment Rights, but also on all our rights including those who are doing the attacking.

It would be a different story if the Planning Commissioner had a history of racial discrimination.

Far from it, in my opinion, Kelly he is one of the best Planning Commissioners our county has ever been blessed with. One of the great things about him is his willingness to stand up for all our Constitutional rights including Property Rights.


Albert J. Segalla
3253 Arrowhead Street
Copperopolis, CA 95228
(209) 785-1491
alsegalla1@gmail.com


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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-03-16 13:26:31   By: Anonymous
 
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Kelly's old school racist mentality was exposed. Sorry but no place for that at a meeting.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 15:51:20   By: Anonymous
     
    Just think. This nation would be nearly crime free if the liberal, politically correct zealots would put as much time and energy into prosecuting the people who commit real crimes such as murder, rape, etc. as they do toward Mr. Wooster. Instead, the political-correctness bunch makes up excuses for the real criminals, blames society and ignores real laws and the Constitution. They only hide behind the Constitution when it’s convenient for them.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 21:16:53   By: Anonymous
       
      100%

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      Prior favor....
      Posted on: 2016-03-17 00:59:24   By: Anonymous
       
      Por favor deje nuestra amada nación, racista.

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        Or maybe a favor afterwards....
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 01:00:33   By: Anonymous
         
        Please leave our beloved nation, racist....

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          Re: Or maybe a favor afterwards....
          Posted on: 2016-03-17 08:20:56   By: Anonymous
           
          Mr. Segalla, Please consider suicide.

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        Re: Prior favor....
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 11:04:15   By: Anonymous
         
        If you are going to continue living here, learn our language!

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          "Learn our language"
          Posted on: 2016-03-17 14:03:00   By: Anonymous
           
          I did learn English- how do you think I can read all these stupid racist posts? I speak and write English pretty well which is more than I can say for the hate filled anti-Mexican posts on this thread. Some of you need English as a Second Language or remedial English courses. I went to college and paid my own way-no grants, no fed. money, no nothing. Just me. Don't know how any of you ever got jobs. You guys all sound like that old tv show with Archy Bunker- just a bunch of sad lazy people.

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            Re: "Learn our language"
            Posted on: 2016-03-17 15:05:44   By: Anonymous
             
            it seems to me you are the only one bringing race into it. most people are simply for enforcment of the border and deporting illegal immigrants. this really has nothing to do with race and is neither racist nor bigotry. calling these post "anti mexican" shows that you are truly a racist.

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              Re: "Learn our language"
              Posted on: 2016-03-17 17:30:13   By: Anonymous
               
              Than why aren't Trump, the Tea Party folks, and the unfortunate Mr. Wooster complaining vociferously about white Canadians? Or white Australians? Or white Brits? Because they honestly think white people, due only to their skin color, are inherently more useful, work harder and are less prone to acts of violence. Don't sugarcoat you racism. Timothy McVeigh was white. The kids who shot up Colombine? White. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy- white. Of course, I could go on and on, cherry picking white crime. But violence is violence, white or brown. Always good to remember that Jesus was an ethnic Jew, and probably a lovely shade of cafe au lait....

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                Re: "Learn our language"
                Posted on: 2016-03-17 18:14:07   By: Anonymous
                 
                violence is violence and illeagl immigration is illeagl so what exactly is your point?

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            The Spelling Otter.
            Posted on: 2016-03-18 12:50:51   By: Anonymous
             
            That's "Archie".

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 10:15:19   By: Anonymous
     
    he needs to resign. case closed.

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Why?
Posted on: 2016-03-16 13:29:37   By: Anonymous
 
Why call them "illegal immigrants", they're not immigrating by any means of the word, they're invading and breaking Our Countries Federal immigration laws.

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    Re: Why?
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 01:25:45   By: Anonymous
     
    From the Center for Migration Studies:

    The total US undocumented population continued to decline in 2014 and has fallen by more than a million since 2008;

    The undocumented population of the majority of US states declined after 2008;

    With the exception of Alabama and possibly Georgia, restrictive state immigration laws in 2010-2011 had little or no impact on undocumented population trends;

    The Mexican-born undocumented population was about 600,000 smaller in 2014 than it was in 2010;

    About 250,000 fewer undocumented immigrants from Mexico lived in California in 2014 compared to 2010; and,

    From 1980 to 2014, the legally resident population from Mexico grew faster than the Mexican undocumented population.

    So, basically, the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. fell sharply during the Obama administration. Isn't that good news?! Oh, wait, unless you're a closet racist and you don't subscribe to the use of actual facts. If the Obama Administrations' immigration policies are working, slowly but surely and humanely, than how can we hate that dumb ni**er?!

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    Re: Why?
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 12:32:17   By: Anonymous
     
    Illegal Foreign Undocumented Terrorists.

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An American
Posted on: 2016-03-16 13:32:08   By: Anonymous
 
Breaking mexicos immigration laws, 1st offence, 2 years prison, 2nd offence, 10 years prison.
An American growing cannabis in mexico, probably prison for life.

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    Re: An American
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 13:33:18   By: Anonymous
     
    Mexico calls illegals in their country "illegal aliens".

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Sorry but no place for that at a meeting
Posted on: 2016-03-16 13:34:39   By: Anonymous
 
Sorry, no place in this Country for illegal aliens.

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    Re: Sorry but no place for that at a meeting
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 14:00:42   By: Anonymous
     
    He holds an elected position. He should exercise more caution when addressing the public. It is also very difficult to argue that this was an instance where he misspoke. His message was very clear and that type of racial bias has no place in government! He needs to own up to his fascism, resign and find another job where he can more freely exercise his first amendment rights. The U.S. Constitution allows resticts the power of government to discriminate, the 5th and 14th amendments!

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      Re: Sorry but no place for that at a meeting
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 15:50:36   By: Anonymous
       
      Wrong. He was appointed by the Board of Supervisors. He comes out of Ponte's district.

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        Re: Sorry but no place for that at a meeting
        Posted on: 2016-03-16 18:24:06   By: Anonymous
         
        Is he an independent contractor? Or government employee? The important factor is the fact he is a government employee.

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      Re: Sorry but no place for that at a meeting
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 21:26:54   By: Anonymous
       
      you should "excercise caution" when writing something that is a lie...its an appointed position deepsheet.

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        Re: Sorry but no place for that at a meeting
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 09:25:50   By: Anonymous
         
        Does that distinction make a difference in how he is expected to conduct himself as a government employee?

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    Re: Sorry but no place for that at a meeting
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 22:50:32   By: Anonymous
     
    ....unless they're planting trees for SPI, or harvesting marijuana. Then it's ok, as long as it's menial and demoralizing. Oh, yeah...and tax the crap out of the brown folks, too, while we're at it....

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    It's not easy to immigrate to the U.S., but most jump thru the legal hoops
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 19:30:33   By: Anonymous
     
    In 2013, close to 47 percent of immigrants (19.3 million) were naturalized U.S. citizens. The remaining 53 percent (22.1 million) included lawful permanent residents, unauthorized immigrants, and legal residents on temporary visas, such as students and temporary workers.

    Of the 19.3 million naturalized citizens in the U.S. population as of 2013, 15 percent have naturalized since 2010, 36 percent between 2000 and 2009, and 49 percent prior to 2000.

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Kelly's just deeply uneducated about U.S. Immigration laws.....
Posted on: 2016-03-16 13:45:13   By: Anonymous
 
10 Myths About Immigration: 2015

Myths about immigration and immigrants are common. Here are a few of the most frequently heard misconceptions.

Most immigrants are here illegally:

With so much controversy around the issue of undocumented immigrants, it’s easy to overlook the fact that most of the foreign-born people living in the United States have followed the rules and have permission to be here. Of the more than 41 million foreign-born people living in the United States in 2013, about 30 million were naturalized citizens, permanent residents and legal residents. Eleven million were unauthorized immigrants. Of those who did not have authorization to be here, about 40 percent entered the country legally and then let their visas expire.

It's just as easy to enter the country legally today as it was when my ancestors arrived:

For about the first 100 years, the United States had an “open immigration system that allowed any able-bodied immigrant in,” explains immigration historian David Reimers. The biggest obstacle would-be immigrants faced was getting here—some even resorted to selling themselves into indentured servitude to do so. Today, there are many rules about who may enter the country and stay legally. Under current policy, many peoples' immigrant ancestors who arrived between 1790 and 1924 would not be allowed in today.

There’s a way to enter the country legally for anyone who wants to get in line:

The simple truthis that there is no “line” for most very poor people with few skills to stand in and gain permanent U.S. residency. Generally, gaining permission to live and work in the United States is limited to people who are (1) highly trained in a skill that is in short supply here and offered a job by a U.S. employer, (2) escaping political persecution, (3) joining close family already here, or (4) winners of the green-card lottery.

My ancestors learned English, but today’s immigrants refuse:

Earlier immigrant groups held onto their cultures fiercely. When the United States entered the First World War [in 1917], there were over 700 German-language newspapers. Yet, German immigration had peaked in the 1870s.

While today’s immigrants may speak their first language at home, one-half of those older than 5 speak English “very well” according to research by the independent, nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. And the demand for adult ESL instruction in the United States far outstrips available classes.

Today’s immigrants don’t want to blend in and become “Americanized":

Nearly 655,000 people became naturalized citizens during the 2014 fiscal year. They had to overcome obstacles like getting here, finding a job, tackling language barriers, paying naturalization fees, dealing with a famously lethargic immigration bureaucracy and taking a written citizenship test. This is not the behavior of people who take becoming American lightly.

The reality is that the typical pattern of assimilation in the United States has remained steady. The first generation struggled with English and didn’t learn it. The second was bilingual. And the third can’t talk to their grandparents. If anything, the speed of assimilation is faster today than at any time in our past, mainly because of public education and mass media.

Immigrants take good jobs from Americans:

According to the Immigration Policy Center, a nonpartisan group, research indicates there is little connection between immigrant labor and unemployment rates of native-born workers. Here in the United States, two trends—better education and an aging population—have resulted in a decrease in the number of Americans willing or available to take low-paying jobs. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, close to 26 million foreign-born people, or 17 percent of the country’s labor force, worked in the United States in 2014. These workers are more likely to be employed by the service industry, while native-born workers are more likely to hold jobs in management, professional, sales and office occupations.

To fill the void of low-skilled American workers, employers often hire immigrant workers (just ask Sierra Pacific Industries who they hire to replant on their land- bet you won't like the answer!) One of the consequences, unfortunately, is that it is easier for unscrupulous employers to exploit this labor source and pay immigrants less, not provide benefits and ignore worker-safety laws. On an economic level, Americans benefit from relatively low prices on food and other goods produced by undocumented immigrant labor.

Undocumented immigrants bring crime:

Nationally, from 1990 to 2010, the violent crime rate declined almost 45 percent and the property crime rate fell 42 percent, even as the number of undocumented immigrants more than tripled. According to the conservative Americas Majority Foundation, crime rates from 1999 to 2006 were lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates. During that period, the total crime rate fell 14 percent in the 19 top immigration states, compared to only 7 percent in the other 31. Truth is, foreign-born people in America—whether they are naturalized citizens, permanent residents or undocumented—are incarcerated at a much lower rate than native-born Americans, according to the National Institute of Corrections.

Undocumented immigrants don’t pay taxes but still get benefits:

Undocumented immigrants pay taxes every time they buy gas, clothes or new appliances. They also contribute to property taxes—a main source of school funding—when they buy or rent a house, or rent an apartment. The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2013 undocumented immigrants—and their employers—paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps.

The United States is being overrun by immigrants like never before:

As a percentage of the U.S. population, the historic high actually came in 1890, when the foreign-born constituted nearly 15 percent of the population. By 2012, about 13 percent of the population was foreign-born. At the start of the recession in 2008, the number of undocumented immigrants coming into the country actually dropped, and in more recent years, that number is stabilizing with little change.

Many people also accuse immigrants of having “anchor babies”—children who allow the whole family to stay. According to the U.S. Constitution, a child born on U.S. soil is automatically an American citizen. That is true. But immigration judges will not keep immigrant parents in the United States just because their children are U.S. citizens. In 2013, the federal government deported about 72, 410 foreign-born parents whose children had been born here. These children must wait until they are 21 before they can petition to allow their parents to join them in the United States. That process is long and difficult. In reality, there is no such thing as an “anchor baby.”

Anyone who enters the country illegally is a criminal:

Only very serious misbehavior is generally considered “criminal” in our legal system. Violations of less serious laws are usually “civil” matters and are tried in civil courts. People accused of crimes are tried in criminal courts and can be imprisoned. Federal immigration law says that unlawful presence in the country is a civil offense and is, therefore, not a crime. The punishment is deportation. However, some states—like Arizona—have criminalized an immigrant’s mere presence.

Please educate yourself on the incredibly divisive issue of immigration. Fear mongering and half-truths encourage scared, angry and "closet" racists to vent their rage at recent immigrants, or just people who look and worship differently.

And finally, for all you hypocrites out there, intent on creating an America refounded on hate and intolerance....
UNLESS YOU ARE 100% NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN, YOU ARE LIKELY DESCENDED FROM IMMIGRANTS, PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLUNTARILY DEPORTED TO THE U.S. FOR COMMITTING CRIMES, STOWAWAYS, OR PERHAPS EVEN INDENTURED OR INVOLUNTARILY ENSLAVED AFRICANS OR ASIANS.

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    Re: Kelly's just deeply uneducated about U.S. Immigration laws.....
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 14:26:17   By: Anonymous
     
    Um, sure, and "Heil Aztlan!" to you as well...

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    Re: Kelly's just deeply uneducated about U.S. Immigration laws.....
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 16:51:45   By: Anonymous
     
    Can someone explain how an illegal alien with 2-3 children can possibly pay enough in taxes to pay the roughly $10,000/year per child that it costs to attempt educate their children. And what having anything left over to cover the cost of services that they consume?

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      Re: Kelly's just deeply uneducated about U.S. Immigration laws.....
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 18:26:43   By: Anonymous
       
      Of course you realize this is not a situation unique to a particular ethnic origin? I see many, many, many people in this county who fall within this hypothetical!

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      From the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy, 2016:
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 21:05:35   By: Anonymous
       
      Released February 24th, 2016

      An updated 50-state study, Undocumented Immigrants’ State and Local Tax Contributions, by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy finds that undocumented immigrants’ tax contributions would increase significantly under the Obama Administration’s executive actions and even more substantially under comprehensive immigration reform granting all undocumented immigrants lawful permanent residence.

      The 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States collectively paid $11.64 billion in state and local taxes. ITEP’s analysis finds their combined nationwide state and local tax contributions would increase by $805 million under full implementation of the administration’s 2012 and 2014 executive actions and by $2.1 billion under comprehensive immigration reform.

      “Regardless of the politically contentious nature of immigration reform, the data show undocumented immigrants greatly contribute to our nation's economy, not just in labor but also with tax dollars,” said Meg Wiehe, ITEP's State Tax Policy Director.

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        Re: From the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy, 2016:
        Posted on: 2016-03-16 21:27:26   By: Anonymous
         
        By your own math, thats $1058.18 in taxes. Seriously, thats *bleep*ing pathetic. Thats no income taxes paid, only sales tax. A legal, employed citizen pays more than that per month in income tax alone, not to mention sales tax and property tax.

        You must be using Bernie Economics. . .

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          Well, no, your math is incorrect.....
          Posted on: 2016-03-16 22:36:19   By: Anonymous
           
          From CNN Money:
          The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits.
          Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade.
          "They are paying an estimated $15 billion a year into Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits," Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the SSA told CNNMoney. "Without the estimated 3.1 million undocumented immigrants paying into the system, Social Security would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover payouts starting in 2009," he said.
          As the baby boom generation ages and retires, immigrant workers are key to shoring up Social Security and counteracting the effects of the decline in U.S.-born workers paying into the system, Goss said.
          Without immigrants, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects that the system will no longer be able to pay the full promised benefits by 2037.

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            Wait...no....your math SUCKS, actually....
            Posted on: 2016-03-16 22:45:19   By: Anonymous
             
            An April 2013 Social Security Administration report estimated that undocumented immigrants and their employers paid $13 billion in payroll taxes. And according to a recent Harvard University study, undocumented immigrants' payroll contributions to Medicare totaled more than $3 billion each year. (April 2014)

            So let's see, here....undocumented immigrants pay:
            Sales taxes
            Social security
            Payroll taxes
            Property taxes
            ....and they cannot expect legal access to any of that money upon retirement. So, I'm not clear here....who's getting screwed? Viva Estados Unidos!

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            Re: Well, no, your math is incorrect.....
            Posted on: 2016-03-17 07:43:14   By: Anonymous
             
            Funny cause I have worked with illegals and they always get paid in cash while I get paid and taxed casue i am legal. So basically I get paid less casue I am a legal citizen of this country. Am I racist for thinking this is wrong?

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              Hypocrite-
              Posted on: 2016-03-17 09:39:36   By: Anonymous
               
              No, you're just not following the progression of your money:
              You are entitled to unemployment, Social Security, Medicare, tax refunds, etc. Also, if you have specific evidence that your employer is illegally employing undocumented workers, and you're remaining silent, than YOU are breaking the law as well. But I guess that's ok, because you're getting paid and don't want to rock the boat, right? Hypocrite.

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                Re: Hypocrite-
                Posted on: 2016-03-17 15:07:40   By: Anonymous
                 
                actually i was fired for bringing the issue up. called the labor dept. they said they get around to it.

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                  Re: Hypocrite-
                  Posted on: 2016-03-17 17:31:52   By: Anonymous
                   
                  Horse sh*t.

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                    Re: Hypocrite-
                    Posted on: 2016-03-17 18:20:34   By: Anonymous
                     
                    you truly have no heart for the legal working man or woman in this country.

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                    Re: Hypocrite-
                    Posted on: 2016-03-20 13:14:30   By: Anonymous
                     
                    It's happened to me more times that I care to remember.

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    Re: Kelly's just deeply uneducated about U.S. Immigration laws.....
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 17:18:23   By: Anonymous
     
    well said

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      Re: Kelly's just deeply uneducated about U.S. Immigration laws.....
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 17:19:32   By: Anonymous
       
      and i mean well said to kellys just deeply.....post

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    Re: Kelly's just deeply uneducated about U.S. Immigration laws.....
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 18:03:34   By: Anonymous
     
    Let me guess...........you are a bleeding heart liberal Democrat. STFU and put your data where the sun don't shine. Stats are not true. JO !!!!

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      "Bleeding heart liberal..."
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 22:29:08   By: Anonymous
       
      Nope, spent 18 months in the Middle East during my time on active duty, came home to Calaveras county, started my own business, and then retired on my military pension. I would've voted for John McCain, if not for the fact that he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. That was the beginning of my migration to "decline to state". My spouse is of Hispanic origin. So kiss my a**, if you don't like the fact that I've grown up and accepted that we live in the mightiest nation on earth, and a lot of people will do anything, including nearly dying, to get here. My Lord told me to welcome the stranger, for he might be an angel in disguise. And He didn't put limits on the definition of the word "stranger", either.

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        Re: "Bleeding heart liberal..."
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 07:39:51   By: Anonymous
         
        "retired on militarty pension" wow must be nice while the rest of us are having our working conditions and pay undermined by your wifes illegal relatives. Thanks man.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-03-16 14:51:26   By: Anonymous
 
I was more forgiving of Wooster before Al chimed in.

Wooster was making a bad and racist joke and his apology would have been more convincing and sincere if he had acknowledged that instead of making up some BS about clarifying language. That said, everyone says something they regret from time to time. We should all move on to the next outrage and hope it's a more worthy one.

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Wooster Should Be Removed
Posted on: 2016-03-16 16:18:35   By: Anonymous
 
Wooster demonstrated his inability to discern his private thoughts and responsibility for public action.
Wooster is unfit for his appointed office.

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    Re: Wooster Should Be Removed
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 17:55:39   By: Anonymous
     
    Wooster comments were on the local TV channels and newspapers, which gave Calaveras County another black eye. The Latino community all over of the State wants him remove. No wonder we have no Industry or manufacturing jobs up here

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      Re: Wooster Should Be Removed
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 17:58:12   By: Anonymous
       
      "The Latino community" are R A C I S T S !

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      Re: Wooster Should Be Removed
      Posted on: 2016-03-16 21:29:15   By: Anonymous
       
      "wants him remove"???? What does that mean idiot?

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    Re: Wooster Should Be Removed
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 17:56:47   By: Anonymous
     
    Sent a positive letter for Wooster today!
    He speaks the truth!

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It's pronounced:
Posted on: 2016-03-16 18:00:06   By: Anonymous
 
"Worcestershire".

[Reply ]

    Re: It's pronounced:
    Posted on: 2016-03-16 19:30:53   By: Anonymous
     
    And how do we say your fine name sir/miss..it's so called name calling that got us here. Shall we all play the racist card.

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Sweet Baby Jesus...how were you able to register to vote?!
Posted on: 2016-03-16 22:45:42   By: Anonymous
 
"Why call them "illegal immigrants", they're not immigrating by any means of the word, they're invading and breaking Our Countries Federal immigration laws."

In America we say:
"Why would we call them "illegal immigrants", as they are not emigrating by any definition of the phrase. They are unlawfully invading our country and ignoring our federal, state, and local immigration laws."

If you're going to be unteachable, intolerant and bigoted, for heavens sake, use the grammar skills you were taught in the 6th grade.

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    No Subject
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 00:02:04   By: Anonymous
     
    You're wrong, they still are illegal aliens, there's no getting-around it.

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      Yes, but....
      Posted on: 2016-03-17 00:27:42   By: Anonymous
       
      ....you APPEAR stupid, careless and badly educated when your posts are garbled and nearly unintelligible. I am absolutely SURE you are not stupid. Please, this is a public forum: be thoughtful; write clearly and concisely; use documented facts and examples, not just hyperbole; be persuasive, not obnoxious. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are wonders of the English language. Be proud of our political heritage-get in there and fight with dignity and clarity and precision!

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        Re: Yes, but....
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 01:19:34   By: Anonymous
         
        Albert Speer would hate you.

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        Re: Yes, but....
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 18:06:39   By: Anonymous
         
        Pull my finger...

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Illegal Mexican Border Crossing Declining Steadily Since 2000...
Posted on: 2016-03-17 01:12:24   By: Anonymous
 
Yup, it's totally true and verifiable. Illegal immigration hysteria is a total crock of poo....

Immigration Reform 2015:
Illegal Mexican Border Crossings Down Nationwide, Study Finds

BY TIM MARCIN ON 07/22/15:Reuters News Angency

As election season ramps up with immigration reform a hot topic, recent data from the Pew Research Center showed that the number of people from Mexico caught attempting to cross the border illegally to the United States was dropping nationwide. The number of apprehensions was typically a good barometer of the total number of people coming to the U.S.

Last year was the first on record in which there were more non-Mexicans apprehended at the border than Mexicans. In the fiscal year 2014, Pew reported that 229,178 Mexicans were arrested at the border, down from a peak of about 1.6 million in 2000. "The decline in apprehensions reflects the decrease in number of unauthorized Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S.,” the report stated.

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    Re: Illegal Mexican Border Crossing Declining Steadily Since 2000...
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 01:21:07   By: Anonymous
     
    That's because there's millions of them already here.

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      Nope...
      Posted on: 2016-03-17 01:38:15   By: Anonymous
       
      From The Atlantic Monthly, January 2016:

      "The “crisis” of illegal immigration has become an article of faith in American politics.

      On the right, Republicans are jockeying over who will lock down the Southern border. “We have people pouring in. They’re pouring in,” Donald Trump says in his latest ad, conjuring an image of invasion that has his supporters dreaming of the “beautiful” wall he has so often promised to build.

      The Obama administration disputes Trump, and yet to the astonishment of its Democratic allies, the Department of Homeland Security has relaunched raids to detain and deport hundreds of Central American families that entered the country in the last two years.

      So if the situation is that drastic, why does the population of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. keep falling?

      That number dropped to 10.9 million in 2014, according to a study published this week by the demographer Robert Warren of the Center for Migration Studies. The population of undocumented immigrants has now fallen every year since 2008, Warren has found, and 2014 marked the first time in a decade that it dropped below 11 million. When Barack Obama took office, the number of undocumented immigrants stood at about 12 million. (Warren’s analysis of Census Bureau data is similar to findings by the Pew Research Center, although Pew’s data suggests that the decline may have leveled off.)"

      It appears that something is working, and the hysteria induced by Trump, racism and fear won't change facts. It's ok to hate Mexicans- it's your right as an American citizen. Just don't be a chicken sh*t and lie about the facts behind your hate. Man up, and admit that you're a racist, and proud of it. Don't hide....so we'll know who you are, and see you coming. Don't forget: white folks are now the minority in The Great State of California. Viva Zapata!

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        Re: Nope...
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 07:34:46   By: Anonymous
         
        Racism has nothing to with maintaining hard fought working conditions for the working man and woman that illegall imigrants of all races undermine. You obviously do not have a job that has to compete with the illegall imigrant and have no sympathy for the blue collar worker in this country. Must be nice.

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          Re: Nope...
          Posted on: 2016-03-17 07:39:20   By: Anonymous
           
          lets see how all of you feel, when in 30 years our immigrant brothers from the south have completely taken over this state, followed by this country. lets see how you feel then...

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            Re: Nope...
            Posted on: 2016-03-17 07:56:54   By: Anonymous
             
            Exactly, and the streets run red with blood from the "narcos" warring with the police and each other. All the while you can only get $1 an hour for a hard days work then you go home to a one bedroom house with a dirt floor and packed with 20 people with a hole out back for a toilet. Sounds like a wonderful place, lets just hand the keys over to Mexico now. Or is that racist?

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              Re: Nope...take over this state? Country?
              Posted on: 2016-03-17 09:00:33   By: Anonymous
               
              Paranoia?
              You ever go to a metro area and think that Mexicans can take control of that city?
              Ever been to Iowa, Minnesota, or Wisconsin? You really think the residents of those states would allow Mexicans to "take" their states? You are a paranoid xenophobe.

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                Re: Nope...take over this state? Country?
                Posted on: 2016-03-17 09:08:30   By: Anonymous
                 
                "can take over" lol they have taken over many metro areas. You just live in a bubble, libral nazi.

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                  Re: Nope...take over this state? Country?
                  Posted on: 2016-03-17 10:14:14   By: Anonymous
                   
                  They only "take over", i.e., live, in areas that they can afford. You probably call these areas slums. My Irish ancestors used to live in slums when they first got to "the land of opportunity".
                  I'm a libral(liberal) nazi? That's an oxymoron. Liberal means to think without bias. Try it sometime.

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                    Re: Nope...take over this state? Country?
                    Posted on: 2016-03-17 10:37:32   By: Anonymous
                     
                    My irish ancestors live in these areas today and they the tell me illegal immigrant problem is pretty bad and definetly ruining the neighborhood.

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                      Re: Nope...take over this state? Country? Irish?
                      Posted on: 2016-03-17 11:12:23   By: Anonymous
                       
                      Damn illegal Irish immigrants!

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            Re: Nope... "immigrant brothers"
            Posted on: 2016-03-17 11:09:39   By: Anonymous
             
            They would just assume to stab you in the back NOW, no worry about waiting 30 years, you spineless idiot.

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              Re: Nope... "immigrant brothers"
              Posted on: 2016-03-17 18:28:27   By: Anonymous
               
              We need to unite as Americans. Not mexicans, germans, chinese, canadians, or whatever. Illegal immigrants are an invasive species if you are an American. The hyphenated American (i.e. Mexican-American, Asian-American, European-American) will be the down fall of this country. Regardless of your race, ethnicity, color or whatever, are you and American. But im just a xenophobe.

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Careful What You Wish For: Here’s What California Would Look Like Without Illegal Immigrants
Posted on: 2016-03-17 14:14:42   By: Anonymous
 

SHORT SIGHTED:
Careful What You Wish For: Here’s What California Would Look Like Without Illegal Immigrants
RUBEN NAVARRETTE JR.

On the subject of illegal immigration, the nation’s most populous state may also be the most hypocritical. Despite the fact that there is so much to do in California—so many leisure activities, in fact, that one can ski and surf in the same day—many residents have over the years developed a rather unproductive hobby. They love to complain about effects of illegal immigration, either real or imagined, as much as anyone else in the country.

It’s the usual list of gripes that one usually hears from uninhibited but uninformed hosts on talk radio. We Californians claim that the undocumented take jobs, lower wages, ruin neighborhoods, crowd schools, overrun hospitals, commit crimes, usurp public services, and pollute the environment. We don’t dare say what’s really bugging us—that illegal immigration is fueling a new demographic reality in a state where whites are now the minority and nonwhites make up the majority, and where nearly 4 out of every 10 residents is Hispanic.

The phenomenon of whites becoming the statistical minority is expected to occur in the entire United States by 2043, according to the most recent projections. That change has already happened in California. And it’s the aftereffects that many of the state’s residents—especially those who are white—are really anxious about.


Here’s what they don’t seem very troubled about: the fact that illegal immigration has become a cash cow for California. A recent report by researchers at the University of Southern California, for example, says immigrants who are in California illegally make up nearly 10 percent of the state’s workers and contribute $130 billion annually to its gross domestic product.

Growing up in the rich farmland of Central California, I’ve known for sometime that the agriculture industry had become completely dependent on immigrant labor—some of it from legal immigrants, but much of it from the undocumented. And what an industry it is, producing more than $45 billion a year in revenue and supplying more than half the produce consumed in the United States.

The study found that the estimated 2.6 million immigrants who are living in California illegally account for as much as 38 percent of the agriculture industry. Farming insiders put the figure at over 50 percent. Illegal immigrants also constitute at least 14 percent of the construction industry. You’ll also find them well represented in the hospitality industry, landscaping industry, and just about every other line of work in the state that requires breaking a sweat.


The study, which was conducted in conjunction with the California Immigrant Policy Center, was based on Census data and other statistics, including figures from the Department of Labor and the Department of Homeland Security.

There was no mention of the costs of illegal immigration, and they’re significant. Hospitals, jails, and schools all cost money to run, and they’re all being used by the undocumented. But Americans are always talking about the cost of illegal immigration. It’s about time that someone dissected the benefit.

Californians, who are always at each other’s throats over one thing or another, will now feud over the study. But they can agree on this much: It’s silly and pointless to complain about a wound that is, in many ways, self-inflicted. Why are there so many illegal immigrants in California? Simple: It’s because there are so many Californians holding up “help wanted” signs.


This state wasn’t always so divided. I’ve lived in the Golden State for three-fourths of my life, and I can remember a more relaxed time when I was growing up. Back then, in the 1970s, the state wasn’t at war with its own instincts. People came up from Mexico, mostly young men in their 20s, in a more or less orderly fashion. They worked all summer and picked peaches, lettuce, or avocados. They would go home to Mexico twice a year—for Mother’s Day, and Christmas—loading up on merchandise from department stores. Back home, they’d play Santa, handing out gifts to family members and bragging about California’s generous bounty. Unknowingly, they would inspire younger generations of adventure seekers to venture north.

In the 1980s, when President Reagan signed the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, it was at least partially at the urging of California farm groups who, by then, had helped Reagan win four elections—two for California governor, and two for president. One of the major proponents of what the bill’s detractors called “amnesty” was California Republican Sen. Pete Wilson, who enjoyed the support of immigration-loving Golden State big business.

In the 1990s, things changed for the worse. As the economy soured, Californians began to think in terms of limited resources and came to see migration as a zero sum game. By then, Wilson had been elected governor and morphed into a restrictionist. In his 1994 reelection, he championed Proposition 187—a spiteful ballot initiative that would have denied education, welfare, and non-emergency health care to illegal immigrants and their children.

Voters approved the measure, but a federal judge struck it down as unconstitutional since the federal government is exclusively responsible for controlling immigration. Just this week, in fact, California went through a cleansing of sorts. In a largely symbolic move, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill—SB396—deleting from state statutes unenforceable remnants of Proposition 187. You could say the state is doing penance for past sins.

Also in 1994, President Bill Clinton, refusing to let Democrats be portrayed by Republicans as soft on illegal immigration, deployed more border patrol agents, built more fencing, and militarized the border south of San Diego with Operation Gatekeeper. The crackdown funneled more migrants through the Arizona desert, and many of them settled in the Grand Canyon State, where they were quickly gobbled up by employers to do the sort of hard and dirty jobs that U.S. citizens in Arizona didn’t want to do. So many migrants put down roots there, in fact, that, in 2010, the Arizona legislature passed Senate Bill 1070, which required local police to enforce federal immigration law and essentially legalized ethnic profiling of Latinos.

Today, many Californians feel ambivalent about illegal immigration. They’re under no delusions about how dependent they’ve become on a phenomenon they used to decry. They don’t really believe that the kid making lattes at Starbucks, the one with all the body piercings, is going to rush out and pick plums in 100-degree heat. And, on the home front, they’ve probably figured out that—when they come home after dark, and the lawn is perfectly manicured—it’s not the work of elves.

But, as this study makes clear, if the Golden State didn’t have illegal immigrants, it would have to invent them. And if California’s industries suddenly had to rely on a completely legal workforce and couldn’t hire another undocumented person, many of them would be out of business.

Is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? What does it matter? It’s the truth.

When the conversation turns to illegal immigrants, many Americans don’t want to accept the truth. And Californians are no different. That’s their prerogative. But they should at least be able to recognize it when it is staring them in the face.

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    Ruben Navarrette, Jr., author of the above article:
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 14:22:34   By: Anonymous
     
    Ruben Navarrette, Jr., is a long time conservative political commentator. His articles and opinions have appeared in USA Today, the Washington Post, the Wallstreet Journal, the San Francisco Chronicle, FOX News, etc. He is a registered Repulican who supports Ted Cruz. ("He's not just your typical useless blood sucking wetback"..., according to Mr. Wooster, anyway)

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      Re: Ruben Navarrette, Jr., author of the above article:
      Posted on: 2016-03-17 18:29:50   By: Anonymous
       
      We need to unite as Americans. Not mexicans, germans, chinese, canadians, or whatever. Illegal immigrants are an invasive species if you are an American. The hyphenated American (i.e. Mexican-American, Asian-American, European-American) will be the down fall of this country. Regardless of your race, ethnicity, color or whatever, are you and American. But im just a xenophobe.

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        Re: Ruben Navarrette, Jr., author of the above article:
        Posted on: 2016-03-17 19:22:34   By: Anonymous
         
        One of the great beauties of the United States is the extraordinary variety of our people. It's our greatest strength. "We the People" are absolutely amazing. We are ALL products of Americas' immigration policies, with the exception of our native peoples.

        Donald Trump is an interesting example: he is the product of a non-English speaking German grandfather who came to the U.S. in 1885. Just because this happened over a hundred years ago doesn't invalidate the truth of Mr. Trumps' origins.

        TRUMP IS THE PRODUCT OF AMERICAS' UNIQUE AND WIDE OPEN HISTORIC POLICY OF ACCEPTING IMMIGRANTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

        Immigrating in 1885 was a whole different ballgame than it is now- the U.S. was wide open, and a person arriving on our shores basically just needed to be healthy and employable.

        It's worth remembering that patriotic, red-blooded Americans of German and Asian descent were labeled heinies and chinks and japs during WWII. And still they served in the armed forces and proudly fought for their country. For xenophobes, there's always somebody to hate....

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          Re: Ruben Navarrette, Jr., author of the above article:
          Posted on: 2016-03-17 21:37:23   By: Anonymous
           
          We need to unite as Americans. Not mexicans, germans, chinese, canadians, or whatever. Illegal immigrants are an invasive species if you are an American. The hyphenated American (i.e. Mexican-American, Asian-American, European-American) will be the down fall of this country. Regardless of your race, ethnicity, color or whatever, are you and American. But im just a xenophobe.


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        Re: Ruben Navarrette, Jr., author of the above article:
        Posted on: 2016-03-19 06:55:27   By: Anonymous
         
        The hyphenated group that most threatens the US is the stupid-American, also known as the Trump-American. After whining for 7 years about Obama dividing the country, Trump supporters have latched onto the candidate who has made dividing America the centerpiece of his campaign. If you are looking for stupid, Trump is your guy.

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From migrationpolicy.org
Posted on: 2016-03-17 19:26:40   By: Anonymous
 
In 2013, Mexican-born immigrants accounted for approximately 28 percent of the 41.3 million foreign born in the United States, making them by far the largest immigrant group in the country. India was the second largest, closely trailed by China (including Hong Kong but not Taiwan), which both accounted for about 5 percent, while the Philippines (4 percent) was the fourth largest sending country. Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, and Korea (3 percent each), as well as the Dominican Republic and Guatemala (2 percent each), complete the top ten countries of origin. Together, immigrants from these ten countries composed close to 60 percent of the U.S. immigrant population in 2013.

The predominance of immigrants from Latin American and Asian countries in the late 20th and early 21st centuries starkly contrasts with the trend seen in 1960 when immigrants largely originated from Europe. Italian-born immigrants made up 13 percent of all foreign born in 1960, followed by those born in Germany and Canada (accounting for about 10 percent each). In the 1960s no single country accounted for more than 15 percent of the total immigrant population.

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    Re: From migrationpolicy.org
    Posted on: 2016-03-17 21:38:18   By: Anonymous
     
    We need to unite as Americans. Not mexicans, germans, chinese, canadians, or whatever. Illegal immigrants are an invasive species if you are an American. The hyphenated American (i.e. Mexican-American, Asian-American, European-American) will be the down fall of this country. Regardless of your race, ethnicity, color or whatever, are you and American. But im just a xenophobe.


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      Re: xenophobe....
      Posted on: 2016-03-18 17:31:28   By: Anonymous
       
      And a repetitive, badly educated xenophobe, at that. At least get the spellcheck going before you hit "Post".



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      Re: Mexican (hyphen) American....
      Posted on: 2016-03-18 17:49:48   By: Anonymous
       
      In certain countries in the Middle East, some parts of China, North Korea, Soviet Russia, etc., being proud of your ethnic heritage can kill you. You want to do the same thing in the U.S.? What the hell's wrong with your thought processes?

      The United States of America was built by white Europeans on the backs of African slaves and immigrants. That is a FACT. Our strength as a nation is that we love our various ethnicities (re: tacos, Chinese New Year, spaghetti, Irish Days, Thai food, Day of the Dead, Halloween, hula, Tex-Mex, Christmas trees, etc.), but when the going gets tough, we unite as a nation behind our identity as American. 9/11 taught us that.

      It is the sincerest form of admiration for our country that people from around the world put their lives at risk to get here. The Statue of Liberty is inscribed:

      The New Colossus

      Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
      With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
      Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
      A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
      Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
      Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
      Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
      The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
      "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
      With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

      That is what I represent to the world as an American. And I'm damn proud of that fact.

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        Re: Mexican (hyphen) American....
        Posted on: 2016-03-19 01:56:36   By: Anonymous
         
        The United States of America was built by white Europeans on the backs of African slaves and immigrants"...

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          Re: Mexican (hyphen) American....
          Posted on: 2016-03-19 01:59:10   By: Anonymous
           
          So..."white Europeans" are not, nor ever were "immigrants".

          Wow, you must a major white-guilt complex.


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            Statue of Liberty poem- thanks for the powerful reminder:
            Posted on: 2016-03-19 10:13:23   By: Anonymous
             
            Well said. I had forgotten that poem. I had to learn it in grammar school. At the time it was just a blur of words that didn't make any sense. I think I must have been about 10 or 11. At that time in the 1940s and 50s we didn't really learn a lot about how the US was really formed. We learned the old fairy tale about Thanksgiving, but brushed over the Indian genocide as some sort of necessary evil- manifest destiny and all that. We talked about slavery, but we were told by our teachers that the slaves were taken care of by their masters and were happy. I had no idea that CA was originally Mexican territory until I was in COLLEGE, after the Marine Corps. Can you believe that. So knowing the reality of our complicated and bloody history as a nation made me think about all our different I guess you could say "origin stories". Some joyous, some horrifying. And so valuable and precious, worth celebrating and remembering. I was born in CA and have watched, known and interacted with Mexican people all my life. I was in the service with them. I went to college with them. I worked with them and they worked with me. They are as much a part of my home state as anything else I can think of- and I just can't see what all the fuss and anger and hate is about. Why can't people see that thugs and thieves come in all races, sexes and sizes? It's so plain to see. Well, I won't let my opinions on this matter be unheard. The majority of people in the US calmly accept immigrants of every status and country. Don't let the racists make you think that they are the norm in our country- they aren't. They're just loud and crazy.

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              The so called majority of this county...
              Posted on: 2016-03-19 10:33:18   By: Anonymous
               
              Racism and bigotry are not American values nor the majority opinion.
              I am getting a little tired of hearing about the sacred rights of the majority; that this is a country ruled by the majority; and that the majority has the right to have its way. This is not a country ruled by the majority. This is not a country of majority rule. The Constitution of the United States was written, in large part, to prevent majority rule. The Declaration of Independence was an announcement that there are limitations upon majority rule. The minority of racist scream and scheme and foam at the mouth- until they LOOK like the majority. It's just another lie they've cooked up to defend themselves. I have been a proud conservative all of my life. I won't stand for people like Wooster and Trump giving conservatism a dirty name. I will sit out this election cycle if Trump is the nominee. Wooster should apologize and resign.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2016-07-23 18:03:00   By: Anonymous
 
We can learn much about communication from the scornful attacks suffered by Planning Commissioner Kelly Wooster. He made what was intended as a little joke but was construed as a racial attack. The lesson for speakers and writers is that one must be very careful when making even the most innocent remark when it is exposed to the general public. The lesson for listeners is to be tolerant and to carefully consider what the speaker really meant. It might prove to be to one’s personal advantage.

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