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Posted by: thepinetree on 04/24/2015 07:38 AM Updated by: thepinetree on 04/24/2015 07:45 AM
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Stop Draining New Melones for Environmental Purposes ~ By Calaveras County Republican Party

Angels Camp, CA...Severe drought conditions plague California and the governor has mandated that residents conserve water. Meanwhile, two entities, the Bureau of Reclamation (which is responsible for storing our water) and the California State Water Resources Control Board (which is responsible for monitoring our water resources) have chosen to ignore these challenging drought conditions and release billions of gallons of water from New Melones Reservoir for Environmental Purposes!



New Melones is currently holding 558,000 acre feet of water - One year’s worth of water! Despite
this fact, recently an additional 4 billion gallons of water was released from Melones intended to
push the young salmon “smolts,” out to the Pacifi c Ocean, through a series of “pulse fl ows!” T is
latest series of pulse fl ows has drained approximately 15,000 acre feet of water out of Melones,
which would serve about 40,000 residents for an entire year!

But, The Bureau of Reclamation, The California State Water Resources Control Board and the EPA
continue to place fish ahead of the people!

It is important to note that residential consumption of water is a mere 10% of the total water
consumed in California. Yet, it is only residential usage that is being targeted and policed for non-
compliance with the governor’s mandate.

The Calaveras County Republican Party is demanding a halt to this unproven science and
senseless release of water from New Melones Reservoir to benefi t downstream fi sh migration.
A 10-year study from 1995-2005 examining “pulse fl ows” during spring and fall periods, failed to
prove these releases are increasing the amount of “smolts” reaching the Pacifi c Ocean. To se
advocating this blind science — blind to the needs of people — must be stopped. We need sound
public policy that supports the real needs of the people.

We support Congressmen Tom McClintock and Jeff Denham in their efforts to petition the
California State Water Resources Control Board to curtail this activity at once. We also support
Tom McClintock’s HR 1668 -- Save Our Water Act, legislation to prevent these types of releases
during times of drought.

The Calaveras County Republican Party on behalf of the people of Calaveras County advocate an
immediate stop to these “pulse fish flows” !




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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 07:46:25   By: Anonymous
 
Fish are people too

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    Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:00:27   By: Anonymous
     
    One planet we all must coexist together on, even the fish and animals that give us nourishment. I'll sacrifice a little water to continue to enjoy an annual Salmon spawn any day.
    Thank you for the environmental releases as well as the humanitarian salvation.
    Save the Salmon!!!!

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      Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:14:42   By: Anonymous
       
      What did the Salmon do when there were no damns, and a river would go dry? Where did the Salmon go? How did they survive? Stuff happened before us people were around



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        Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:42:34   By: Anonymous
         
        They didn't go "dry"
        Before man anniolated the beaver, he kept the water management optimum.
        Man has screwed up the system, and now again, man thinks he has the power to fix it.
        Let the water flow.

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          Posted on: 2015-04-24 12:16:55   By: Anonymous
           
          Very good answer. Unfortunately, too many readers here will not begin to understand your point, mainly because there's no money in it for them.

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          Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:11:31   By: Anonymous
           
          amen!


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          Posted on: 2015-07-30 11:33:19   By: Anonymous
           
          unfortunately you are incorrect, Beavers never dammed the Stanislaus.


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        Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:47:28   By: Anonymous
         
        The salmon would stay in the ocean until the river was flowing again before attempting to spawn.


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        Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:11:03   By: Anonymous
         
        There was water everywhere because there were only Indians and they conserved the land. We just dam it up and destroy it. It was damning of water that kills all the fish.

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        Posted on: 2015-04-25 06:34:52   By: Anonymous
         
        Wow, really? How have you made it this far in life with that sort of thinking?

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2015-04-25 08:43:36   By: Anonymous
           
          Yes, really.!!! How did YOU make it this far, (kinda) without thinking at all ?!?!

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      Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:28:49   By: Anonymous
       
      The farmers who grow our foods need the water more than residential usage. what will the republicans eat when there aren't spawning fish to replenish our waterways?!?! What will we eat when the water in your pool can't reach the farmlands.
      It's called sacrifice. Be water wise, use common sense, think about California s future if we were to let the delta dry up and become brackish .
      I support the pulse releases as well.

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        Posted on: 2015-04-24 09:01:00   By: Anonymous
         
        Brackish what do you think going to happen to the delta when Mr. Moonbeam puts the tunnels in!

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        Re: FOOD?
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:32:19   By: Anonymous
         
        So the Democrats will resort to cannibalism or do they have their own secret food source that the Republicans cant touch?

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        Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:42:24   By: Anonymous
         
        Farmers use 80 % of the water. From what I see when driving down to Stockton, they are making no effort to conserve water - sprinklers or flooding of almond and walnut trees, for example.

        I saw a report that it takes a gallon of water to grow one almond. And most of the crop is exported to the Far East (China). How can that make sense in a drought? I know I'd rather have a healthy fishery here than almonds for China.

        It's time to use eminent domain to claw water rights back from almond farmers.

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          Posted on: 2015-04-25 21:41:37   By: Anonymous
           
          No! Keep government nuts out of the process. They only make matters worse.

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          Posted on: 2015-07-30 11:32:22   By: Anonymous
           
          You are mistaken, The farmers do not use 80 percent of the water...do your research, quit making statements that are not correct.

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      Posted on: 2015-04-24 21:53:57   By: Anonymous
       
      This stupid state should of built more RESERVOIRS

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        Posted on: 2015-04-25 06:41:05   By: Anonymous
         
        This stupid states people voted for Brown, you know, the guy behind the twin tunnels to bring more water to the south, Hi Speed Rail. It's all about money. If the farmers cut just 10% .....nope, big bucks, (the politicians)you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. We the people, pay for what the politicians want, if we like it or not.

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    Posted on: 2015-04-24 09:15:12   By: Anonymous
     
    I've read about this, and its amazing how the liberal-elite think they have conquered nature. . . The fish flows are using vast mounts of water to flush under 50 steelhead and salmon down stream to the SF Bay. Few of theses make it past the deltas -- Why because the liberal-elite have also introduced a predator fish into the Deltas that Uh-Oh pray on these young salmon and steelhead. . . so very few make it to the ocean.

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      Posted on: 2015-04-24 10:18:33   By: Anonymous
       
      The predator fish you refer to are Stripped Bass. Not sure when the bass were brought to California but I think it was over 100 years ago. The real reason the fish have declined is the water pumps in Tracy. The pumps can do reverse the water flow in the delta and suck the fish into the pumps.

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      Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:14:19   By: Anonymous
       
      Thousands of Salmon are in question. I don't know where you get your info. They can't help themselves BUT WE can help them. Or kill them, which do you choose. There are many other facets of the food chain. We need to let ALL the animals/fish live and put our own selfish pool and lawn needs away for a couple of years.


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        Posted on: 2015-04-26 09:32:39   By: Anonymous
         
        This is such a stupid statement!! My question to all of you is "would you rather see a silly little fish live than see your children or grandchildren eat?" You don't seem to have enough common sense to realize its coming to that. There is not enough water to water the fruit/vegetable crops we all need because its going to silly fish. Are you going to go down and catch these fish and eat them...after you've killed all the other necessary crops? If you, your children or grandchildren were starving...what would you do then? Would you say...oh these precious fish must be saved so my family should die of starvation? Heaven help you if that is your attitude. Its just common sense that crops should come first. We've caused this problem. Its like the wild animals that come into Arnold...and some people feed them. Well...when those people die or leave Arnold, where do the animals go? You have ruined their natural instinct to find food and they don't know how to fend for themselves. The fish are the same...they will find a way if we just leave them alone. Survival is a funny thing...when necessary, it becomes the most intense thing on your mind. If we continue on the path we are on with water, what will you do for survival? This is really not a political issue...its a matter of survival for the residents of this state.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2015-04-28 20:58:48   By: Anonymous
           
          I think you failed to realize a plate of salmon will get you further down the road than a plate of vegetables. Think about it!

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 15:45:29   By: Anonymous
       
      And while you make it sound like the water is really badly needed by the poor farmers trying to feed the hungry, how many more almond snacks and glasses of cheap wine do we really need? Just yesterday a corporate farm just downhill was flood-irrigating an orchard of nut trees, which is really wasteful and stupid. Neither political party is willing to take this on, much to the shame of the leaders of the Democratic Party who usually claim to understand the issues. Too many contributions at stake.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 22:27:27   By: Anonymous
       
      If you could get your bias out of your head, forget about your mental obstruction toward what you believe are "the liberal elite" you might realize we are all in this together. It is not just the "fish" that needs some water flow, it is the delta region and those agricultural lands. Fresh water flow keeps the delta farm lands from becoming salty. There are a lot of issues involved. Political ideology will not contribute to a rational discussion or solution.

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        Posted on: 2015-04-29 10:25:38   By: Anonymous
         
        I'm not looking for a scientific article or anything but can you provide just a news article stating that. My friend who's nearly done with his PhD at Davis in fish something or another posted a blog saying that as well. I have to discuss and news article for my Plant Science class and everyone just throws blame at the smelt and I want to present a viewpoint that no one in my privileged south Central Valley farm kid filled class knows about and possible piss the class off if I'm lucky. I don't have username for this but if you find one send it to gooseman400@yahoo.com If not, that's cool too. I'm gonna keep looking anyway, but I don't see any since that's probably not something they want us people to know.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 12:14:13   By: Anonymous
     
    cops aren't people

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-26 09:37:26   By: Anonymous
       
      Again...an EXTREMELY STUPID STATEMENT!!! What do you mean by this statement? What do cops have to do with it? By the way, if you've ever had a very horrifying encounter with a criminal or been in a serious accident...the cops have been there. What would you do without them? Even though you come across as having no common sense after such a post, try to stretch your brain a little and think about it. If you have ever need a cop, has he not been there?

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2015-04-26 12:04:31   By: Anonymous
         
        ...nope, never needed one.
        I've dealt with pretty much everything myself for decades and have done pretty well so far.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:03:22   By: Anonymous
 
One thing that most republicans never take into account is that people (including them and their child) are part of the environment.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:23:10   By: Anonymous
     
    Only ones with gonads are the repubs .

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:33:12   By: Anonymous
       
      Ones with brains are not.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:39:28   By: Anonymous
       
      The Calavaras county of republicans are only on their OWN behalf, not mine or many others that reside in Calaveras county. Thank You

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 11:29:59   By: Anonymous
         
        Thank You. . .

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 15:31:12   By: Anonymous
         
        me neither

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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:53:08   By: Anonymous
 
Those are some real people running the show! What a godam JOKE.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 08:55:44   By: Anonymous
 
Screw You Tree Huggers.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-26 07:13:19   By: Anonymous
     
    Right back at you Earth Killer.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 09:06:23   By: Anonymous
 
I'm a salmon to I swim up stream 3 times a week and spawn.

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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 09:11:08   By: Anonymous
 
The reason Melones is so low is the water was released durring the winter months and now is sitting in San Louis reservoir. The water will be used by the valley farmers. 80 percent of all water is used by farmers. The Republicans need to understand it needs to rain. Democrats need to understand we need more water storage. We have not built a new llarge dam since the 70's. Our poulation increased by ten million. Farm production has increased. We need more water but it has to rain and snow first to get the water we need.

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    Posted on: 2015-04-24 20:41:30   By: Anonymous
     
    Bingo!!!!!!

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 21:57:27   By: Anonymous
     
    I love the last coment THANK UOU

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      Posted on: 2015-04-25 08:35:14   By: Anonymous
       
      Good comment but not allowed on the Pine Tree as it makes too much sense for a few of the posters. (-:

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-07-30 11:44:56   By: Anonymous
     
    The last reservoir built in California was new Melones...over 30 years ago. Again, the random statement that the farmers are using 80 percent of the water is incorrect. State wide California uses 50% for environmental, 40 % for agriculture, and 10% urban.

    On the Delta, the usages are closer to 70 % environment, 20 % ag, and 10% urban.

    California is a drought prone state, it always has been. If we don't create more water storage, we will indeed have this same conversation again in the near future.

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Post a reference to the study
Posted on: 2015-04-24 09:52:33   By: Anonymous
 
To the Calaveras GOP. Your article relies on a study conducted on pulse flows. Please post a specific citation as to that study.

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    Re: Post a reference to the study
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 10:08:40   By: Anonymous
     
    There have been many newer studies on the effect of pulse flows. A brief web search did not disclose the study cited here by the GOP. It could be they are cherry picking using old info. They need to disclose the source of their claim, or their credibility becomes an issue.

    if there are any scientists out there who read this, I would hope you would contribute to this discussion.

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      Re: Post a reference to the study
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 10:37:56   By: Anonymous
       
      Just ran across this in a search - Some history and the agency in charge, a study they conducted and continue to monitor at a very high cost!
      History; 
      The California Sportfishing Protection Alliance brought a claim to the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS), the California Dept. of Fish and Game, the US Fish & Wildlife Service and the US EPA to do something about dwindling numbers of Chinook salmon out in the ocean off our coast. In 1995 the EPA under the threatened species act pushed the Ca. Fish & Game and the Ca. State Water Resources Control Board to enact policies that would restore the Delta watershed to encourage more Chinook and Steelhead Salmon migration along the San Joaquin River.  There are 3 major river tributaries of the San Joaquin River.  The Merced, the Toulumne, and the Stanislaus. The imposed policy by the State was release water from the major dams on those tributaries to encourage this migration of the Steelhead and Salmon.  The policy study was set for 12 years (1995 - 2008).  Data was to be collected to see if the "pulse fish flow water releases" made a difference. In 2008 the Delta plan was up for review.  Against all the data provided by Biologists hired by the Water Agencies that showed that the wasteful flow of water for the fish did little to increase the numbers of salmon going back to the ocean, the CSWRCB decided to stay with the 1995 Plan and release even more water for the fish. The Water agency Biologists, at a cost of $1M/year,  measured water temperatures and conditions and did fish counts along the Stanislaus River for a 16 year period.  The State monitored water flows and conditions at Vernalis on the San Joaquin River and continues to do this. 

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        Re: Post a reference to the study
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 11:12:51   By: Anonymous
         
        Good. Thanks.

        Now I wonder what the the results show from 2008 until today, and if this drought, being epic, creating different conditions, would lead to a different result. Perhaps the pulse flows during typical years did little to help the fish population, but would there be different results during periods of extreme drought.

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          Re: Post a reference to the study
          Posted on: 2015-04-24 11:28:32   By: Anonymous
           
          The only consideration would be that fish are sensitive to warm water and in drought years with slow flowing streams and rivers the waters warm. The water flowing from Melones is also warmer due to the shallowness of the reservoir - therefore not ideal conditions for the fish.

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            Re: Post a reference to the study
            Posted on: 2015-04-24 11:50:00   By: Anonymous
             
            Does the outflow from the dam come from the deep, and is thus cold enough? There are legitimate arguments, stuff that I won't understand.

            So I guess I will place my faith in the scientists and managers who have participated in the devising the plans. It appears that the letter to the editor here, was more the product of political ideology rather than scientific consensus.

            Anyone who is interested can web search : Central Ca rivers pulse flows (or something similar).



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              Re: Post a reference to the study
              Posted on: 2015-04-24 12:19:18   By: Anonymous
               
              Interesting comment, but I do not see political ideology in this letter to the editor. As for trusting science, I think the economic impact carries equal weight. But, hey wait, how about the fish in Melones, swimming around trying to stay healthy in a pool that has shrunk by 200+ feet in elevation and going lower. . . Why is there such a lack of concern for these fish and there miserable future. Theres thousands more fish trying to survive in Melones, as well as a thriving fishing industry!

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                Re: Post a reference to the study
                Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:10:26   By: Anonymous
                 
                It is all about balancing the various interests and needs. The drought is going to impact everyone, some sooner than later, some more than others. I suspect the managers have concluded it best to try to balance those impacts. The ideology is expressed in McClintock's speeches posted on this site calling for an end to environmental regulations, as well as implied by the local party by adopting his position, and the ultimate demand to cease the pulse flows for fish. I just don't yet buy that ultimatum.


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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 12:41:13   By: Anonymous
 
Hey, Calaveras County Republican Party, you lie when you say you speak "on behalf of the people of Calaveras County". Plenty people don't agree with you and plenty others resent you presuming to speak for all of us.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 12:57:32   By: Anonymous
     
    I am embarrassed to be a Calaveras County republican. I am going to change my affiliation....today.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:33:09   By: Anonymous
       
      i'm a Democrat, but this makes a lot of sense to me, I think I'll change my affiliation Today too !

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-26 09:41:48   By: Anonymous
       
      I really don't how this becomes such a political matter. Its a people/survival matter and we should put party affiliation aside and concentrate on it as if it were a matter of survival because it really is at this point

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-26 09:51:02   By: Anonymous
       
      At this point, you should be embarrassed to be a member of any political party. We should all just concentrate on being a free, constitutional believing American and do what is necessary. Forget all the party affiliation

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:36:44   By: Anonymous
     
    The Calaveras County Republican Party is a laughing stock. They lost all credibility when they endorsed a candidate in the recent non-partisan judicial race.

    And, BTW, their candidate LOST. Nice going.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 22:30:14   By: Anonymous
       
      Agreed.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 15:33:20   By: Anonymous
     
    I agree.

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Just wait
Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:36:33   By: Anonymous
 
Let's run this same discussion again in September when our forests are burning, Greenhorn Creek Lawns are dry under their feet, our farms lie fallow and we're paying $20.00 for a gallon of milk.
Idealistic values WILL change after a long hot summer.

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    10 bucks says I will
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 13:50:07   By: Anonymous
     
    I''m driving to Sonora today wanna bet that I'll get pulled-over & harassed?
    Clean CDL Clear registration,
    Insurance too boot.

    Looks like
    just asking to get harassed today.
    Sad place to want to raise a family.

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      Thank you
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 14:18:40   By: Anonymous
       
      Thank you to the Republican Party for this editorial. I am a Calaveras County resident and appreciate your efforts. Since the release of water the pumps for Tuolumne County are now out of the water sitting in mud and silt. How is Toulumne County going to get water this year? The unintended consequences get juist got worse.

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        Re: Thank you
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 15:03:01   By: Anonymous
         
        Do like Las Vegas is doing, digging down lower to run their pipes.

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      Re: 10 bucks says I will
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 18:49:00   By: Anonymous
       
      Then move.

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        Re: 10 bucks says I will
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 20:18:26   By: Anonymous
         
        Why aren't the cops fired?

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          Re: 10 bucks says I will
          Posted on: 2015-04-26 09:45:43   By: Anonymous
           
          What in the heck do cops have to do with this? Cops are a critical necessity. If someone broke into your house and held you and your family at gunpoint, what would you do? These men/women put their life on the line every time they go to work...what do you do to protect you and your family? Bad things happen every day...maybe today will be your day. Where will you turn? Instead of criticizing you maybe should say thank you. But again...what do cops have to do with the water issue?

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      Re: 10 bucks says I will
      Posted on: 2015-04-25 06:52:22   By: Anonymous
       
      Well just keep driving and leave, why stick around? Are you really that big of a bone head you can't pack your bags and leave? Poor baby, just wants to whine and cry, go ahead start yelling and kicking your feet like a toddler who doesn't get that little piece of candy. Grow up and make a difference in your life instead of waiting for someone else to do it for you. I hate little damn crying whiners who do nothing for themselves, and want others to do it for them. Waaaaaa, waaaaaaaaa.

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        Re: 10 bucks says I will
        Posted on: 2015-04-25 08:53:35   By: Anonymous
         
        Ditto. This baby needs a spanking


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      Re: 10 bucks says I will
      Posted on: 2015-04-25 08:40:20   By: Anonymous
       
      Wash your car with water the eco's don't want to you to use. I've been pulled over once in 30 years and that was by the ACPD (we all know how THEY are) for a minor violation. No harassment, just had to sign the citation.

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      Re: 10 bucks says I will
      Posted on: 2015-04-25 08:52:00   By: Anonymous
       
      Stick to the subject, we don't care about your arrest record.

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    Re: Just wait
    Posted on: 2015-04-25 06:47:35   By: Anonymous
     
    You shouldn't drink milk anyway, milk is for calf's, not humans. No wonder so many people have figures like cows.

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    Re: Just wait
    Posted on: 2015-04-26 09:46:43   By: Anonymous
     
    Awesomely fantastic point!!! Hopefully everyone might think about your question...but I doubt it.

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    Re: Just wait
    Posted on: 2015-04-27 08:55:15   By: Anonymous
     
    "Greenhorn Creek lawns are dying". Really? Good - lawns should be illegal during a drougt, or at least heavily fined. You want to waste water on a lawn - you pay.
    Same goes for golf courses unless they use reclaimed water. Playing golf during a drought is like watching Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

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Not speaking for the majority
Posted on: 2015-04-24 15:40:51   By: Anonymous
 
The Calaveras GOP does not represent the majority of citizens in the county, and certainly does not speak for me on this issue.
The local GOP has about one-third of the registered voters, the Dems somewhat less, and the NO POLITICAL PARTY folks the largest chunk. And that is just registered voters, so the real numbers for the GOP are a minority.
Secondly, the GOP generally has no credibility on any issue regarding scientific fact, such as the debate over water flows and the impact. They do however generally have the support of the corporate farmers that use 80% of the water.
If you want to test the credibility of the GOP on science, just try to say "global warming" in a GOP gathering and watch them move into full denial mode.
Finally, the person who suggested we just need to build more dams needs to check the sky. We already have plenty of places to store water. We are in the fourth year of a drought. There is no water to put there. Building more dams will not change anything.

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    Re: Not speaking for the majority
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 17:55:20   By: Anonymous
     
    I agree completely. You nailed it (and them).

    When the droughts are severe enough to drain Melones, it is clear the problem is not going to be solved by more dams. And asking CCWD customers to cut consumption by 32 % is neither fair nor realistic. We don't have a lot of lawns we can stop watering and I'm not going to quit using my indoor toilets. 80 % of the water is used by farmers. If farmers cut use by a just 8 % it saves as much water as residential use being reduced by 32 %. Farmers could cut use by 8 % and more by simply using efficient methods of irrigation.

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      Re: Not speaking for the majority
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 20:57:07   By: Anonymous
       
      Bravo. The nut farmers could cut back that much easy. Nuts are not a big subsistence crop.

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      Re: Not speaking for the majority
      Posted on: 2015-04-26 09:49:38   By: Anonymous
       
      Not all farmers grow just nuts. Are you willing to cut back 20% of your eating? You might have to when the farmers have dead crops because of cutting back watering of fruits and vegetables

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    Re: Not speaking for the majority
    Posted on: 2015-04-25 20:54:52   By: Anonymous
     
    "Global Warming" what's that? Are you that far out of touch. Have you heard of "Climate Change"?

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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-24 16:15:46   By: Anonymous
 
Of all the water available to CA, 50% is for water sheds, reservoirs, which is untouched by humans. Then 40% is available to Ag and 10% to residential.

If you take away the first 50%, then yes, Agriculture uses 80% of CA water and the remaining 20% is for all of us.

Why would you not want food? Food for you, the state, the country? I'm pleased to conserve to that we all have plenty to eat.

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 16:17:42   By: Anonymous
     
    Also, the decrease in flood irrigation has resulted in dry underground streams and aquifers, which has created pits and valleys in fields that rely on slope to irrigate. When you flood, most of the water moves thru the soil down to replenish the streams and aquifers.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 16:18:14   By: Anonymous
       
      Which is the reason that wells are drying up.....

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    Re: you're only hearing half the story
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 16:49:01   By: Anonymous
     
    While it may be politically expedient to characterize pulse flows as "fish flows", what you're not being told by McClintock and his cronies is that the releases of fresh water from New Melones and the other reservoirs also act to keep salinity in the Delta, especially the south Delta, in check. Without those flows, salt water from San Francisco Bay pushes further inland.

    Even if there were no good reasons to allow such flows because of the Endangered Species Act, we'd still have a need to allow fresh water to run downstream so the Delta would be more like it was before all the dams and water projects were built.

    What's REALLY happening here is NOT "farming vs fish", it's "farming in the valley vs. farming in the delta". Because if salinity gets too high, the delta soils become useless.

    This problem has been festering for years, but now it's reached crisis point because of continued drought years, and also because the valley farmers have lowered the groundwater table significantly by overpumping, so that "out" is not as available.

    It's a vast, complicated hydrologic system, and there is quite simply not enough water to go around, especially given California's failure to address groundwater depletion and the overallocation of water rights.



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      Re: you're only hearing half the story
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 17:41:20   By: Anonymous
       
      Great post. Thank you.

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    Re: you're only hearing half the story
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 16:49:01   By: Anonymous
     
    While it may be politically expedient to characterize pulse flows as "fish flows", what you're not being told by McClintock and his cronies is that the releases of fresh water from New Melones and the other reservoirs also act to keep salinity in the Delta, especially the south Delta, in check. Without those flows, salt water from San Francisco Bay pushes further inland.

    Even if there were no good reasons to allow such flows because of the Endangered Species Act, we'd still have a need to allow fresh water to run downstream so the Delta would be more like it was before all the dams and water projects were built.

    What's REALLY happening here is NOT "farming vs fish", it's "farming in the valley vs. farming in the delta". Because if salinity gets too high, the delta soils become useless.

    This problem has been festering for years, but now it's reached crisis point because of continued drought years, and also because the valley farmers have lowered the groundwater table significantly by overpumping, so that "out" is not as available.

    It's a vast, complicated hydrologic system, and there is quite simply not enough water to go around, especially given California's failure to address groundwater depletion and the overallocation of water rights.



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      Re: you're only hearing half the story
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 16:58:25   By: Anonymous
       
      Dam it all! Build more reservoirs, hydro plants, piping systems

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      Re: you're only hearing half the story
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 17:42:35   By: Anonymous
       
      Again, great post!!

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        Re: you're only hearing half the story
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 18:13:08   By: Anonymous
         
        Pulse flows are exciting. History has told us about greed. you can B.S. about this. Have you driven down Finnegan Lane and noticed the nice building pumping water daily to the greenhorn creek golfcourse in Angels Camp wher the stupid citizens that paid for a $3 Million nupdgrade to their WWTP to supply Greenhorn with water . Angels Camp stupid locals or in breads should be receivibg water from the billions greenhorns are taking from them.

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          Re: you're only hearing half the story
          Posted on: 2015-04-24 19:50:20   By: Anonymous
           
          What would you do with the reclaimed water that is being used to water the golf course?

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-24 17:59:43   By: Anonymous
     
    "Of all the water available to CA, 50% is for water sheds, reservoirs, which is untouched by humans. "

    What does that mean? Is it the amount that actually flows into the ocean? Surely that number is greater than 50 %.

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      Re:
      Posted on: 2015-04-24 20:28:26   By: Anonymous
       
      Get real, drive down Finnegan Lane then look at green lawns. went your tap doesn't flow ?

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        Re:
        Posted on: 2015-04-24 21:28:02   By: Anonymous
         
        Stop releasing water.
        Start hunting these hippies down, burning their homes and running them out of town.

        Eventually it will start, and when it does, we can cleanse this place of idiot liberals.



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          Re:
          Posted on: 2015-04-24 22:31:58   By: Anonymous
           
          You are one sick individual.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2015-04-24 22:43:48   By: Anonymous
           
          You should see a doctor or a preacher, or someone who can help you become rational.

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2015-04-24 22:56:27   By: Anonymous
           
          Apparently you are a fan of the Calaveras County Republican Party. They must be pleased and proud that someone like you would support their efforts.

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            Re:
            Posted on: 2015-04-24 23:00:38   By: Anonymous
             
            Is this guy the "base" for the local GOP? Sounds like it!

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              Re:
              Posted on: 2015-04-25 05:48:24   By: Anonymous
               
              How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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          Re:
          Posted on: 2015-04-25 22:03:43   By: Anonymous
           
          Boy, someone is a taco shy of a full combo. Yikes

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    Re:
    Posted on: 2015-04-25 07:00:41   By: Anonymous
     
    Cutting back on certain crops, feeding other nations, ethanol, wiser irrigation watering, the twin tunnel project. Ca. grows plenty of food, more than enough in fact. That water is being used to grow food for other countries in fact. What people are asking is for the biggest users to cut back, 5% or 8%. Does that make any sense to you? The biggest users of water should cut back something.

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      Re: For or Against FISH ?
      Posted on: 2015-04-25 08:03:18   By: Anonymous
       
      But, hey wait, how about the fish in Melones, swimming around trying to stay healthy in a pool that has shrunk by 200+ feet in elevation and going lower. . . Why is there such a lack of concern for these fish and there miserable future. Theres thousands more fish trying to survive in Melones, as well as a thriving fishing industry!


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      Re: 10 bucks says I will
      Posted on: 2015-04-25 08:29:27   By: Anonymous
       
      Ditto. This baby needs a spanking


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Let's see the studies
Posted on: 2015-04-25 09:08:02   By: Anonymous
 
Come on, Republicans. Let's see the studies that support your position. How hard can it be to include a few links to the studies that you say support your point of view?

You should understand that the Republican Party is totally discredited by refusing to acknowledge climate change and by numerous examples of letting your legislative proposals be written by ALEC. So if you expect anyone with a functioning brain to pay attention to this position paper, you are going to have to back the statements up with facts we can verify.

Or did McClintock just send the text to you and ask you to post it?

So what will it be: Provide some links or STFU?

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    Re: Let's see the studies
    Posted on: 2015-04-25 09:30:44   By: Anonymous
     
    Good post. But they have failed to consistently in recent months to provide backup for any of their claims. Your reference to ALEC is very good. Few people know how multinational corporations are directing state and local government.

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      Re: Let's see the studies
      Posted on: 2015-04-25 11:47:52   By: Anonymous
       
      THE KEY CLAIM, as I read it, is that they are dumping billions of gallons of water out of New Melones at a time of sever drought, while requiring every resident is to seriously constrain their use of water! That's it !

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        Re: Let's see the studies
        Posted on: 2015-04-25 18:17:05   By: Anonymous
         
        So its as simple as that? Regardless of the why and where the water goes, just stop? Regardless of what the scientists and water managers say, just stop? That is pretty dumb if that is what they mean.

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          Re: No Science behind releases
          Posted on: 2015-04-26 08:11:08   By: Anonymous
           
          The imposed policy by the State was release water from the major dams on those tributaries to encourage this migration of the Steelhead and Salmon.  The policy study was set for 12 years (1995 - 2008).  Data was to be collected to see if the "pulse fish flow water releases" made a difference. In 2008 the Delta plan was up for review.  Against all the data provided by Biologists hired by the Water Agencies that showed that the wasteful flow of water for the fish did little to increase the numbers of salmon going back to the ocean, the CSWRCB decided to stay with the 1995 Plan and release even more water for the fish. The Water agency Biologists, at a cost of $1M/year,  measured water temperatures and conditions and did fish counts along the Stanislaus River for a 16 year period.  The State monitored water flows and conditions at Vernalis on the San Joaquin River and continues to do this. 


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            Re: No Science behind releases
            Posted on: 2015-05-02 10:33:34   By: Anonymous
             
            OK. Good background. But it does not explain why the CWRCB decided to continue the releases. Must be some other reason. One poster explained that fresh water flows were necessary to prevent increased salt water intrusion into delta fresh water . Could that also be a consideration?



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No Subject
Posted on: 2015-04-25 21:00:06   By: Anonymous
 
2017 the state will be mapping stock ponds and reservoirs that have not complied with the new registration law. The fines begin. Maybe the state could use that money for water storage projects.

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Reber Plan
Posted on: 2015-04-25 21:54:59   By: Anonymous
 
John Reber's plan to separate SF Bay from the Pacific and making it into two freshwater lakes made a lot of sense but was abandoned by the state in 1955. Perhaps we should get it out of the archives and apply some new science to it. Google "Reber Plan" and judge for yourself.

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    Re: Reber Plan
    Posted on: 2015-04-26 06:20:24   By: Anonymous
     
    An oldie but a goodie. I'm not sure it solves the problem of warm water and the need for a current to lead fish to the ocean, but I admire people who think big and creatively.

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    Re: Reber Plan
    Posted on: 2015-04-26 11:31:50   By: Anonymous
     
    Do know what estuary is? Do know how a estuary works? The plan to fill in the bay and crate a river to the Golden Gate will change all life as we know it. On top of that who will pay for the filling?

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    What do you call 10 Calaveras Repubs jumping off Stevenot Bridge?
    Posted on: 2015-04-28 07:55:59   By: Anonymous
     
    A good start.

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      Bemused
      Posted on: 2015-07-10 07:47:32   By: Anonymous
       
      I am happy to be a tree hugging liberal elitist. Far better this than to be a puppet of Party policy. The Central Valley and Foothill Republicans are bought and paid for by Corporate Ag. Big Ag makes a huge profit by overusing water resources that can be sold overseas. We are pumping groundwater that is 20,000 years old from deep in the aquifer and sucking the reservoirs dry to make them rich. Don't believe that your elected officials are thinking of you and your 10% residential water usage -- you are not donating enough money and you aren't a lobbyist. If you believe their claptrap, then you are their minions working on behalf of a hedge fund corporate farm owner and the shareholders of same.

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